[InternetHero]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

You guys can complain all you like. Miragliotta is no different than all the others.

Not an event goes by without serious mistakes. Last UFC, Jardine, Gouviea and Sherk were exposed to damage long after they were done fighting. Jardine and Gouviea paid high prices for the refs negligence. Jardine is lucky to be alive. Sherk lucked out because Penn restrained himself when the ref was slow to react.

Two instances that bothered me significantly were the Anderson Silva nd Kenny Florian fights. Both refs allowed the fighters to administer illegal elbows to an illegal portion of the body. Which I found to be total BS! Not to mention how Faber was allowed to drop at least 4 hammerfists to the back of the head of a kneeling Pulver, amidst a fight in which Faber connected on 8+ illegal strikes.


I did not see the Vera - Werdum fight. Bedlam isn't worth buying - should get it for free like Page - Henderson.

I would have hoped that Vera would have lost in more distinct fashion. Vera has no business being a HW IMO. The only reason he is there is because of the lack of talent in the division - which has gotten even worse. HW flab master Vera needs to drop down to LHW. Sure Vera may benefit from the fact middle of the road UFC HWs are complete jokes. But they will always have a few HW whom are decent. Those HWs will own Vera due to him fighting out of his weight class.

Has there ever been a thread about it in the "ask the fighters" part of Sherdog? It would make a great thread.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Originally Posted by InternetHero

Has there ever been a thread about it in the "ask the fighters" part of Sherdog? It would make a great thread.

Yes, I'm a sure all of them would favor death matches. Where the ref never stopped the match without their permission.

[Systemanoob]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

He made a mistake last wekk...... so he is supposed to keep making that mistake, otherwise he is being inconsistent. How stupid is that? Answer: It's the stupidest.

No he didn't. Dan himself said he thought it was good to let the fight go. Then everyone from Sherdog to Bas Rutten himself said the fight should have been stopped.

Also do you really expect people to take your posts seriously when you didn't even watch the fight?

[InternetHero]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

Yes, I'm a sure all of them would favor death matches. Where the ref never stopped the match without their permission.

Be reasonable. I'm sure some may have complaints about "early" stoppages.

You won't know unless you ask them. The fighters. The people who are brave enough to make it happen.

I want to hear some of their opinions on it, not some sarcasm, thanks.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Originally Posted by Systemanoob

No he didn't. Dan himself said he thought it was good to let the fight go. Then everyone from Sherdog to Bas Rutten himself said the fight should have been stopped.

Also do you really expect people to take your posts seriously when you didn't even watch the fight?

WHAT'S YOUR POINT!!??

What is the ref going to say I effed up! I should have stopped the fight after Kimbo took the 30th undefended elbow?

The guy didn't call the same fight as last week........... that's a good thing most likely. He should have called the fight when Kimbo wasn't defending.


No, I didn't see the fight. My point was ref mistakes are way to common lately. Though I said I would prefer an early stoppage rather than seeing a guy get hurt (late stoppage).



The notion that Miraglitta should call the same fight as last week is stupid. He made a mistake last week, regardless of whether he is going to throw himself under the bus and admit it.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Originally Posted by InternetHero

Be reasonable. I'm sure some may have complaints about "early" stoppages.

You won't know unless you ask them. The fighters. The people who are brave enough to make it happen.

I want to hear some of their opinions on it, not some sarcasm, thanks.

I don't like early stoppages either. I would prefer the perfectly refffed match. In fact, I have suggested two refs should be in the ring for every match.

If the fighters don't like the reffing. They can go have a street fight. Then they will go to jail when they seriously injure somebody. If they want to participate in organized MMA, deal with the rules. MMA needs to follow the rules or it will disappear because of lawmakers.

[morales]

According to Mrs. Garrett, early stoppages are better than late stoppages. By that logic, I guess if you trained 8 weeks for a fight and it was stopped early you'd be happy. Not in one UFC event has there every been anyone seriously injured because of a late (or rather correct) stoppage.

If you watched any boxing footage from the 40's and 50's you would understand what a good fight, ko was, but now we are condidtioned, more like brainwashed in your case to think that when a fighter is stunned he can't comeback. It's one of the reasons we will probably never see too many back and forth fights, the moment a fighter is momentarily stunned the over anxious refs jump in, i.e. Dan Miragliotta, Herb Dean.

Oh, I forgot I'm a complete idiot!

[GroundNPouter]

Thats what Im saying Morales.

if you are a fighter Im pretty sure you rather have a stoppage where a guy got what 2-3 hits in more than nessecary? then a fight where as soon as you hit the ground the fight was stopped.

[InternetHero]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

I don't like early stoppages either. I would prefer the perfectly refffed match. In fact, I have suggested two refs should be in the ring for every match.

If the fighters don't like the reffing. They can go have a street fight. Then they will go to jail when they seriously injure somebody. If they want to participate in organized MMA, deal with the rules. MMA needs to follow the rules or it will disappear because of lawmakers.

However, the rules are not being followed consistently by refs either, so the fighters opinions may play to their discretion. That's part of the problem though. MMA's rules are vague and there is enormous disparity in the way the refs interpret them.

Like everyone has been pointing out the Kimbo fight compared to this one shows major problems in the sport. Nobody really knows how the fights are scored either we just know vaguely what equals points.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Originally Posted by morales

According to Mrs. Garrett, early stoppages are better than late stoppages. By that logic, I guess if you trained 8 weeks for a fight and it was stopped early you'd be happy. Not in one UFC event has there every been anyone seriously injured because of a late (or rather correct) stoppage.

If you watched any boxing footage from the 40's and 50's you would understand what a good fight, ko was, but now we are condidtioned, more like brainwashed in your case to think that when a fighter is stunned he can't comeback. It's one of the reasons we will probably never see too many back and forth fights, the moment a fighter is momentarily stunned the over anxious refs jump in, i.e. Dan Miragliotta, Herb Dean.

Oh, I forgot I'm a complete idiot!

Are you? (complete idiot)

I don't care what fighters want!! Tim Sylvia wanted to continue fighting Mir after Frank had broke Tim's arm. Fighters have pride and egos. They don't want to lose at any cost. But this isn't a street fight. There are rules to be adhered to... to protect fighters and the sport.
I have seen plenty of times where a fighter looked finished and made a comeback. That is the refs call though. If the ref is abiding by the rules.... what's the problem. The ref is in charge of protecting fighters.... which includes protecting their lives.

Never been an injury due to a late stoppage? No such thing as a late stoppage? You're a real winner.