[stretch38]

Originally Posted by December

the game has evolved past them

disagree, there age had too much to do with it, it is more to blame than saying" the game has evolved past them" a royce in his prime would have still been a major contender in todays mma

[stretch38]

Originally Posted by worm89

haha..youtube? is that where u started out? come on dude go back to watchin WWE..redneck

check out the join dates, if you were as into MMA as you think you wouldn't have waited till last month to join. he has reason to doubt you.

[FIMN]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Well, kinda strange I'd say. He doesn't train MMA, but probably train with strikers, grapplers and with MMA guys. Nevertheless he doesn't train MMA... Come on.

Just got owned by a whitebelt I meant he doesn't train BJJ.

[FIMN]

Originally Posted by stretch38

disagree, there age had too much to do with it, it is more to blame than saying" the game has evolved past them" a royce in his prime would have still been a major contender in todays mma

Prime Royce wouldn't be top 10 in MMA noadays, in any weight class. No Gracie would.

[clindecamp18]

Originally Posted by coutrout76

false. the only reason that gracies/ bjj alone no longer dominate is because other people learned their art. Their original goal in mma was to prove that their art was the best, and was essentially unstoppable against other martial arts. There is no doubt that they did that. when a single family can dominate the sport it means they are doing something right. The bjj vs. mma
debate is complete bullshit. Bjj occurs every time skilled fighters go to the ground. The gracies never set out to prove that every gracie was one of the worlds greatest, they set out to prove their style was the best, and 14 years after joyce won the first ufc, NOBODY has proved otherwise.

how good is this joyce gracie???? just kiddin i agree wiith everything you said

[mkess101]

Let's see if Roger can learn some skills other than grappling. If he can even get to the point where he's so-so in those other areas, he could be a force at HW. His grappling/submissions are that good.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by FIMN

Prime Royce wouldn't be top 10 in MMA noadays, in any weight class. No Gracie would.

I also think so. If Royce kept the same game of old UFCs (=unidimensional) he wouldn't succeed at all, even if he was in his prime. MMA has evolved just too much. Maybe, if he did some serious cross-training..... but that's pure speculation.
Concerning the other Gracies, maybe Renzo could be a force nowadays if he was 15 years younger. He's the most well-rounded Gracie.

[coutrout76]

Originally Posted by FIMN

Prime Royce wouldn't be top 10 in MMA noadays, in any weight class. No Gracie would.

He was one dimensional,thats true, but i think most people are looking at Royce circa the matt hughes or even sakuraba fights. They say speed is the first to go in a fighter, so for a not so strong guy like joyce, he needed all the speed he could get. I think he had lost alot of his speed, shooting and on the mat, after his layoff when he first fought sakuraba. When i talk about joyce gracie as a legend im refering to his ufc days. I think a prime Joyce would have given matt & sakuraba MUCH harder times on the Mat, but we'll never know for sure.

[Hickson]

im actually a big crosley gracie fan..ya i asid it

[Silverblur]

Originally Posted by coutrout76

He was one dimensional,thats true, but i think most people are looking at Royce circa the matt hughes or even sakuraba fights. They say speed is the first to go in a fighter, so for a not so strong guy like joyce, he needed all the speed he could get. I think he had lost alot of his speed, shooting and on the mat, after his layoff when he first fought sakuraba. When i talk about joyce gracie as a legend im refering to his ufc days. I think a prime Joyce would have given matt & sakuraba MUCH harder times on the Mat, but we'll never know for sure.

Why do you keep calling him Joyce?

I realt don't think he could have beaten Hughes or Sakaraba, even in his prime.



Right now, there arn't any gracies that need to be in the UFC, none of them are top fighters.

I have high hopes for Roger though. The marketing for him practically writes itself; "the return of the gracie family to the octagon..."