Shogun excuses by sherdoggers

[Article125]

Originally Posted by slimpickenz84

Shogun is a great fighter but his jackoff fans make it impossible to like him. I was so happy he lost and his fans were humbled. They needed that. But Shogun is young and I hope he gets better and comes back with a vengeance. Legends like Chuck and Randy are almost at the end and we need new ones.

Like I've said many times before, anyone who lets another fighters fans affect the way he views a fighter is a moron and not a true fan. You just go with the flow and like the fighter whose fans you can tag along with, because you really don't know shit about mma.

"Hey guys! This guys fans are more like me! Let's like him now based nothing on how he fights, or anything else he can actually control!"

"Good idea! Let's find some dicks so we may suck them as well!"

[[Rec]]

Originally Posted by tapout021

Your stupid hes not overrated! Yes he needs to work on his wrestling, and his striking is just fine the way it is..

When you get outboxed by Nakamura you def need to upgrade your striknig.

[chaman4g]

lol

[Barksdale]

Originally Posted by Article125

Like I've said many times before, anyone who lets another fighters fans affect the way he views a fighter is a moron and not a true fan. You just go with the flow and like the fighter whose fans you can tag along with, because you really don't know shit about mma.

"Hey guys! This guys fans are more like me! Let's like him now based nothing on how he fights, or anything else he can actually control!"

"Good idea! Let's find some dicks so we may suck them as well!"

Hahaha best post I've read on here. Hey Rec or whatever the fuck your name is, if Shogun's striking is so pathetic, then I guess Rampage REALLY needs to work on his, as Shogun fucked him up with hands, knees, kicks, AND takedowns. And I don't want to hear that broken rib shit, Shogun dazed him with the first 1-2 he threw, threw a 360 kick at him and uppercutted and dirtyboxed Rampage senseless. Oh yeah, and he caved in his ribs with knees and heartlessly battered the broken rib after with vicious left hooks and kicks.

Shogun never healed from his elbow properly which is why his striking was so so vs Nak etc. But with all the physio he does I bet he turns out better then he was before. Torn muscles can either be disastrous if returned too early (his potential fight vs Chuck in the UK) or come back stronger due to scar tissue (his potential return at the end of the year) if given the right time to heal.

BTW, TS, you prove it doesn't matter how long you've been here or what belt you have, you're an idiot.

[machine29]

Originally Posted by King of Fists

Dumb thread, Shogun had a torn ligament in his knee and that´s all that needs to be said.

It´s not an excuse, it´s the REASON for his poor performance. I don´t care about Forrest´s boo-boo on his shoulder either, it wasn´t a torn acl.

Shogun shouldn´t have been exercising that night, let alone fighting

OH u are so right

A fucked up rotator cuff, a torn labrum and biceps tendon is nothing more t han a hang nail.

[Tony_Jaa_101]

Originally Posted by Systemanoob

He already is a top fighter in the UFC. Why else would Forrest get a title shot based off a win over Shogun?

BTW, Forrest hasn't beat ANYONE besides Shogun since he won TUF.

I can understand being a top fighter in the UFC after a few fights but that was his debut and he lost...Unless you are counting his past fights and his record then yeah he is a top fighter but let;s not jump to conclusions and say top fighter in the UFC...

[Barksdale]

Originally Posted by machine29

OH u are so right

A fucked up rotator cuff, a torn labrum and biceps tendon is nothing more t han a hang nail.

What the fuck are you talking about?? He never had a torn labrum he had a messed up rotator as you said, he said that the pain made it feel like his labrum and biceps were tore as well. He only had physio on the rotator. And if you compare that with a torn knee a month out from the fight you're an idiot. At least Shogun had the balls (albeit the wrong guidance) to take the fight in the first place. And with one leg he was a fuckin warrior.

[swarrrm]

[Barksdale]

Originally Posted by Tony_Jaa_101

I can understand being a top fighter in the UFC after a few fights but that was his debut and he lost...Unless you are counting his past fights and his record then yeah he is a top fighter but let;s not jump to conclusions and say top fighter in the UFC...

So if Pacquiao loses to Valero and then jumps ship to Golden Boy he has to prove himself all over again his record and victories mean nothing?? THE UFC ARE PROMOTERS IDIOT. He already won twice under unified rules in Vegas. Both in the first round in spectacular fashion. You are a joker alright. Clown.

[im the one]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Angel Eyes

Stop it. Seriously.

I've been saying Shogun's overrated for SEVERAL years now. His striking is sloppy, his defense is weak, and he doesn't get away with it as well as the old wandy did because he doesn't have the speed, power, or aggression that Wandy does (new wandy is a MUCH better fighter since he's been in the UFC than he was in Pride).

His wrestling is sub-par- both his takedowns and takedown defense. You put him against a solid wrestler, and he'll get taken down all day. His takedowns are suspect- at best.

His strong points are his muay thai clinch, his GnP, and his BJJ.

Is shogun talented? Yes. Does he have potential to be a top fighter in the ufc? Yes.

But his training is all wrong- it's obvious that much of his technique is translated from Gi BJJ and judo to MMA, and that just doesn't cut it anymore. MMA groundgame and wrestling is now its own science.

His striking needs to be completely reworked. His clinch game is excellent, but his boxing needs serious work, and his kicks are nothing special.

Shogun is a great fighter, but chuteboxe is dated. Even Wandy knows it, that's why he left. Once upon a time it was revolutionary, being one of the first schools to incorporate the BJJ/Muay Thai combination that was so successful in early 2000s, but we're way past that now.

Forrest on the other hand is sluggish, but his technique for MMA is ahead of shogun. He's tougher than shogun, and has better cardio (by far) than shogun. ANd another main factor- he's MASSIVE compared to shogun.

Shogun's loss is a result of chuteboxe's refusal to update their training and their technique. Which is a shame, because shogun is a very solid BJJ blackbelt, with a ton of experience and is still very young.

Maybe you should train him coach! Sorry only read half your post it was boring and wrong! Good try though!