Shogun excuses by sherdoggers

[Sgt. Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by LowelltheHammer

Shogun excuses do need to stop, but so does blind bashing of fighters.

In case you weren't aware, Shogun beat Rampage, Nogueira, Overeem and Arona in less than a year. That doesn't happen without some measure of skill, and for you to completely ignore that is ridiculous.

Rampage had a broken rib BEFORE entering the ring, overeem is like, the most overrated fighter ever, lil nog gets a lot of hype because of being big nog's brother (although he is a solid fighter), and arona is a purely one dimensional fighter.

That being said, i'm not saying shogun sucks. i'm saying, he's overrated on SHERDOG.

people act like he's the undisputed king of 205- chuck would kill him, wandy would beat him, tito could probably take him, machida could take him, i bet rampage could take him now.

he must change his training routine if he wants to CONTINUE his success, which he definately achieved early in his careere (at that time, MMA wasn't as evolved as it is today).

he was ahead of the game at one point- the game evolved, and he didn't.

and no, shogun did not look any different than he ever did. that first round, he fought just as well as he did against anybody else in mma, but name me one fighter he's fought who'se as well rounded as forrest, as large as forrest, and has as good cardio as forrest does

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

If his takedowns suck so bad, how did he get Forrest down twice in the first round?

I agree he needs a boxing coach though, sloppy boxing.

[Sgt. Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by heavy_hander

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methodologies: * Identifiable techniques that can be widely used in the area of study.
- 1. "the analysis of the principles of methods, rules, and postulates employed by a discipline";
2. "the systematic study of methods that are, can be, or have been applied within a discipline"; or
3. "a particular procedure or set of procedures." [1]


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what i mean is, sloppy muay thai, and gi judo/bjj training. yes, they do no gi, but not enough. their boxing is crap. and there's 0 wrestling

[IrishFighter]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Angel Eyes

Rampage had a broken rib BEFORE entering the ring, overeem is like, the most overrated fighter ever, lil nog gets a lot of hype because of being big nog's brother (although he is a solid fighter), and arona is a purely one dimensional fighter.

That being said, i'm not saying shogun sucks. i'm saying, he's overrated on SHERDOG.

people act like he's the undisputed king of 205- chuck would kill him, wandy would beat him, tito could probably take him, machida could take him, i bet rampage could take him now.

he must change his training routine if he wants to CONTINUE his success, which he definately achieved early in his careere (at that time, MMA wasn't as evolved as it is today).

he was ahead of the game at one point- the game evolved, and he didn't.

and no, shogun did not look any different than he ever did. that first round, he fought just as well as he did against anybody else in mma, but name me one fighter he's fought who'se as well rounded as forrest, as large as forrest, and has as good cardio as forrest does

Your an idiot, just stop digging. Just honestly answer me this question, do you train whatsoever?

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Angel Eyes

Rampage had a broken rib BEFORE entering the ring, overeem is like, the most overrated fighter ever, lil nog gets a lot of hype because of being big nog's brother (although he is a solid fighter), and arona is a purely one dimensional fighter.

That being said, i'm not saying shogun sucks. i'm saying, he's overrated on SHERDOG.

people act like he's the undisputed king of 205- chuck would kill him, wandy would beat him, tito could probably take him, machida could take him, i bet rampage could take him now.

he must change his training routine if he wants to CONTINUE his success, which he definately achieved early in his careere (at that time, MMA wasn't as evolved as it is today).

he was ahead of the game at one point- the game evolved, and he didn't.

and no, shogun did not look any different than he ever did. that first round, he fought just as well as he did against anybody else in mma, but name me one fighter he's fought who'se as well rounded as forrest, as large as forrest, and has as good cardio as forrest does

Shogun BROKE Rampages rib, it was not broken before. It was broken towards the beginning of the fight when they first were clinched in the corner and Shogun landed some knees to the ribs. You could tell because Rampage expression changes after that.

[mcpeepants23200]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Angel Eyes

Fight Finder - Mauricio "Shogun" Rua's Mixed Martial Arts Statistics

forest beats shogun september 2007

Interview Mauricio Rua: Shogun leaves Chute Boxe - With less - MMA News

Shogun leaves chute boxe December 2007.

you know your shit sucks when not only do you put your foot in your mouth, you make a bunch of other assholes put their foots in their mouths for blindly following you.

in either case, if you've been following news on his training, he hasn't really changed methodologies

He was still training with them but he was in the process of finding his own gym with Ninja. Let's face it Shogun had a torn acl and didn't have a full coaching staff in his preperations for Forrest. If anything Forrest is the fluke he hasn't beaten anybody besides a Shogun that was at 50%. You are right about Chute Box though. There is a reason that Wandy, Ninja, Shogun, Thiago Silva and Thiago Alves all left them for other camps.

[Sgt. Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by IrishFighter

Your an idiot, just stop digging. Just honestly answer me this question, do you train whatsoever?

yea, ok. i'm sorry, you're right. shogun getting demolished by fedor wasn't due to forrest avoiding his sloppy single legs, outstriking shogun using his reach with straights to counter shoguns loopy punches and exposed chin, or completely nullifying shogun's bjj with modern mma groundgame tactics. it was all because shogun lost his mojo

grow up

[geezerjitsu]

I don't disagree with some of your points (e.g., Chutebox methodoly is not what it was and Shogun's main legacy of training is from there) but the only "excuse" really is Shogun's injury. Even if his game could be improved in some ways, none of those factors had to do with the loss to Forrest. And the main question about Shogun's future is whether he can get past the injury.

Saying that Forrest's technique for MMA is ahead of Shogun's is dumb. Calling his cardio better than Shogun's is questionable at best and only based on that one fight whereas Shogun has shown monstrous cardio in the past.

But Forrest is big and that helps.

[Alann]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Angel Eyes

yea, ok. i'm sorry, you're right. shogun getting demolished by fedor wasn't due to forrest avoiding his sloppy single legs, outstriking shogun using his reach with straights to counter shoguns loopy punches and exposed chin, or completely nullifying shogun's bjj with modern mma groundgame tactics. it was all because shogun lost his mojo

grow up

wat

[GLOKILLA]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Angel Eyes

Rampage had a broken rib BEFORE entering the ring, overeem is like, the most overrated fighter ever, lil nog gets a lot of hype because of being big nog's brother (although he is a solid fighter), and arona is a purely one dimensional fighter.

That being said, i'm not saying shogun sucks. i'm saying, he's overrated on SHERDOG.

people act like he's the undisputed king of 205- chuck would kill him, wandy would beat him, tito could probably take him, machida could take him, i bet rampage could take him now.

he must change his training routine if he wants to CONTINUE his success, which he definately achieved early in his careere (at that time, MMA wasn't as evolved as it is today).

he was ahead of the game at one point- the game evolved, and he didn't.

and no, shogun did not look any different than he ever did. that first round, he fought just as well as he did against anybody else in mma, but name me one fighter he's fought who'se as well rounded as forrest, as large as forrest, and has as good cardio as forrest does

lil nog beat henderson las pride mw champion does not sound overated to me
overeem beat belfort former ufc lhw champion
ricardo arona beat wanderlei that makes him a pretty legit competitor
quinton jackson beat the fuck out of chuck liddell


[b] so doesnt that make shogun one of the greatest fighters who ever lived now are you gong to tell me they are all contenders and werent all those guys top ten when he beat them