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Old 07-02-2008, 06:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Shogun excuses by sherdoggers

Stop it. Seriously.

I've been saying Shogun's overrated for SEVERAL years now. His striking is sloppy, his defense is weak, and he doesn't get away with it as well as the old wandy did because he doesn't have the speed, power, or aggression that Wandy does (new wandy is a MUCH better fighter since he's been in the UFC than he was in Pride).

His wrestling is sub-par- both his takedowns and takedown defense. You put him against a solid wrestler, and he'll get taken down all day. His takedowns are suspect- at best.

His strong points are his muay thai clinch, his GnP, and his BJJ.

Is shogun talented? Yes. Does he have potential to be a top fighter in the ufc? Yes.

But his training is all wrong- it's obvious that much of his technique is translated from Gi BJJ and judo to MMA, and that just doesn't cut it anymore. MMA groundgame and wrestling is now its own science.

His striking needs to be completely reworked. His clinch game is excellent, but his boxing needs serious work, and his kicks are nothing special.

Shogun is a great fighter, but chuteboxe is dated. Even Wandy knows it, that's why he left. Once upon a time it was revolutionary, being one of the first schools to incorporate the BJJ/Muay Thai combination that was so successful in early 2000s, but we're way past that now.

Forrest on the other hand is sluggish, but his technique for MMA is ahead of shogun. He's tougher than shogun, and has better cardio (by far) than shogun. ANd another main factor- he's MASSIVE compared to shogun.

Shogun's loss is a result of chuteboxe's refusal to update their training and their technique. Which is a shame, because shogun is a very solid BJJ blackbelt, with a ton of experience and is still very young.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Shogun isn't with Chute Box anymore and he wasn't with them for the Forrest fight. So your post fails completely.

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Old 07-02-2008, 06:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Is shogun talented? Yes. Does he have potential to be a top fighter in the ufc? Yes.
He already is a top fighter in the UFC. Why else would Forrest get a title shot based off a win over Shogun?

BTW, Forrest hasn't beat ANYONE besides Shogun since he won TUF.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:47 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Shogun is a great fighter but his jackoff fans make it impossible to like him. I was so happy he lost and his fans were humbled. They needed that. But Shogun is young and I hope he gets better and comes back with a vengeance. Legends like Chuck and Randy are almost at the end and we need new ones.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:47 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Shogun isn't with Chute Box anymore and he wasn't with them for the Forrest fight. So your post is fails completely.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

the TS is a FAILURE
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Why else would Forrest get a title shot based off a win over Shogun?
which I feel was/is wrong.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:48 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Shogun is a great fighter but his jackoff fans make it impossible to like him. .
You're pathetic if you can't like a fighter or anything on earth for that matter just because of what other's say about it. That's extremely lame.
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if it bugs you so much then why did you make this thread?
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Shogun isn't with Chute Box anymore and he wasn't with them for the Forrest fight. So your post is fails completely.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:50 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Fuck TS, have you seen shogun fight? I hate when ppl say his striking is sloppy. Yes he is wild with his punches but his leg kicks are the best a 205. He utilised them in all in fights except Forrest.

Just watch his fight with lil nog if you think his takedowns are "suspect". they won him the fight.

Oh yeh with statements like the following noone will take you seriously.

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