Sherk CAN'T beat Penn - A 25% chance if BJ gasses - Page 3

phil the void · 05-15-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LHK_419

I agree with this aswell, he's been able to get hughes and st pierre on their back. He also was able to get stevenson down with relative ease, who's a pretty good wrestler..I've also seen him wrestling with gray on TUF 5 and he was able to take him down fairly easily as well. BJ penn's wrestling is very underrated.

Sorry, but BJ never put GSP on his back. GSP went to his knees against the fence; that's as far as it went.

**positivebalance** · 05-15-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LHK_419

I agree with this aswell, he's been able to get hughes and st pierre on their back. He also was able to get stevenson down with relative ease, who's a pretty good wrestler..I've also seen him wrestling with gray on TUF 5 and he was able to take him down fairly easily as well. BJ penn's wrestling is very underrated.

I think people just like to ignore it...it makes for better argument if you can say the opponent of a Penn or a Fedor actually does at least one thing better. In most cases, both Fedor and BJ are simply better at every aspect of the game. For BJ, it's his wrestling, the same goes for Fedor...people are always saying, "a big wrestler that can strike is what will beat Fedor"...the problem is, Fedor is a phenomenal wrestler, and has amazing ground control and balance...if he ends up on the bottom, it's probably because he realizes "why fight for the top position when I'm just as comfortable on the bottom, and will lose less energy?"

SHORT_BUS · 05-15-2008, 02:16 PM

This might be a fun thread to re-visit in a week or so.
I think Sherk has a better chance than people are giving him and I think it's comical that so many people are counting him out.

**jrdenn** · 05-15-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by facedancer

I was pointing out to Bullit yesterday that the majority of Sherk's td's against Hughes and GSP were single leg attempts. A single leg on BJ is often going to end with BJ on top bc he can basically just fold over on top of you once he's stuffed it.

Exactly my thinking. I still look at the Diaz vs. Sherk fight as a roadmap of the Penn vs. Sherk fight. Sher's td's are not as great as people make them out to be. BJ will hop on one leg all day or just sprawl and then take his back.

johnsq316 · 05-15-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaxibius

25% =/= 0%
"Can't" = 0%

That was my point as well.

I've said it before; If BJ doesn't finish Sherk in the first 7:30 (1 1/2 rounds) or hurt him badly in that time, Sherk will win. For all the talk of a "new BJ" I've heard before I won't believe it until I see him not sucking air in the 3rd round.

I make BJ a favorite, but if anyone wants to give me 4:1 on this fight I'll take Sherk any day.

Also, Sherk has a decided strength advantage against BJ, but so did Hughes, GSP, and Machida.

**jrdenn** · 05-15-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Aas Gutú Adéli

First.
We disagree about what constitutes LnP.

Second.
You not liking his style doesn't prevent him from winning, it just makes him winning unpalatable.

How will Sherk win? Where will Sherk win? He's only beaten 1 top 10 opponent and he hasn't finished a top guy in his life unless you count 18 year old Karo.

chaman4g · 05-15-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaxibius

25% =/= 0%
"Can't" = 0%

OWNED!

Lorenz · 05-15-2008, 02:23 PM

Sooooo... Sherk CANT beat Penn - but hes got a 25% shot? Good math skills.

LGP · 05-15-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdenn

Wrestling: While Sherk is clearly the better wrestler I ask you to put it in perspective meaning Sherk's wrestling is only effective if BJ can't negate it.

You're a nuthugger. if you weren't you would have the exact same sentence in your grappling section. Sherk has never been submitted. Bj is only going to be effective if sherk can't negate it.

bma44 · 05-15-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LHK_419

I agree with this aswell, he's been able to get hughes and st pierre on their back. He also was able to get stevenson down with relative ease, who's a pretty good wrestler..I've also seen him wrestling with gray on TUF 5 and he was able to take him down fairly easily as well. BJ penn's wrestling is very underrated.

I don't remember him taking GSP down. Stevenson got taken down by Mishima and Pellegrino as well. Penn tagged Hughes and stuffed his shot, that's how he took him down. Could he do the same to Sherk? Sure, I just don't see him double-legging Sherk right out of the gate.