Pro-wrestling shoots? Works turned shoot, shoots in a worked federation, etc.

**Kforcer** · 05-30-2009, 01:36 PM

--there's Karl Gotch vs. Lou Thesz, where Gotch breaks Thesz's ribs countering the German suplex and Thesz then goes all out and taps him with a kimura (happened in Detroit, never seen the match, only heard and read about it)

--Sayama versus Maeda, where Maeda nails Sayama with a low blow and then walks out on the match

--Andre the Giant versus Akira Maeda

--Antonio Inoki versus the Great Antonio (pitiful bullying on Inoki's part IMO)

--Inoki versus Akrum Pelwan

--Fujiwara getting double-crossed by Don Nakaya Nelson

--Masahiko Kimura getting double-crossed by Rikidozan

--Steve Williams versus Steve Ray (this match was supposedly a shoot/double cross)

--Daniel Puder versus Kurt Angle

--Bret Hart getting screwed by Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon obviously

Anything else that I'm missing?

In his autobiography, Hogan claims he shot on Riki Choshu and kicked his butt. Don't know if I believe it or not.

Big Burly · 05-30-2009, 11:08 PM

Great thread, kforcer!

I read Thesz's book, Hooker. I remember him talking about a match where his ribs got injured and he had to quickly submit his opponent and get the hell outta there. I don't recall him saying that was Karl Gotch who hurt his ribs.

That makes a cool story even cooler!

punkmother · 05-30-2009, 11:10 PM

brawl for all

**Kforcer** · 05-31-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Burly

Great thread, kforcer!

I read Thesz's book, Hooker. I remember him talking about a match where his ribs got injured and he had to quickly submit his opponent and get the hell outta there. I don't recall him saying that was Karl Gotch who hurt his ribs.

That makes a cool story even cooler!

It was indeed Gotch. I hate to circulate the story; obviously, Thesz was too classy to circulate it himself. His ribs were seriously messed up, too.

It is interesting because Jake Shannon tries to promote the theory that Lou Thesz was all for show, essentially...probably because of Thesz's connections with Tony Cecchine. By making Thesz seem less formidable, Cecchine becomes a less viable competitor to Shannon.

armbarforhire · 05-31-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Burly

Great thread, kforcer!

I read Thesz's book, Hooker. I remember him talking about a match where his ribs got injured and he had to quickly submit his opponent and get the hell outta there. I don't recall him saying that was Karl Gotch who hurt his ribs.

That makes a cool story even cooler!

Did he said if he submited Gotch for realor just rushed the ending of the match cause of the injury (rushing endings of matches cause injurys is pretty common in pro wrestling)

There is the match were Perry Saturn gets angry at a jobber fior botching moves and hits him (the jobber is the brother of the guy that filmed the documentary bigger, stronger, faster )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP085eYK4Nw

And also when William Regal refused to job quickly to Goldberg and got fired.

Regal said he was not shooting Goldber but just making him work for moves the old school way and just not posing there like they do now for the big signature moves. If you are expecting real punches you are not going to see them on this match,what you are going to see is the Goldber that was winning his matches in under 1 minute , being put in a variety of old school head, writs and armlocks and having to work to actually win a match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh2dtPO3d4Q

**Kforcer** · 05-31-2009, 07:40 AM

As I understand it, Lou Thesz--after getting injured because of something Gotch did--basically assessed his situation as one in which he had to simply go all out for the submission or risk getting messed up. One person close to him said he didn't believe Gotch was trying to exactly hurt him, but rather to show off a little bit at Lou's expense(at least, that's what I took from it).

Here's a link to a conversation about it:

http://wrestlingclassics.com/cgi-bin...10;t=001327;p=

**D.R.H.** · 05-31-2009, 08:39 AM

There was one a few years back between Rick Steiner and someone. Forget who exactly.

Falcondice · 05-31-2009, 08:52 AM

I think there's a couple involving Rick Steiner. Although nothing springs to mind specifically, I've heard he showed up at a couple of indy shows and acting like a fucking dick; trying to powerbomb kids out of the ring to the floor and etc.

Also I almost can't remember it at all, but there's this one Sasuke match where he gets pissed with somebody and kicks the living shit out of them, then storms off. Pretty sure it was a shoot, but like I said, I can't remember the opponent or date. IIRC it was an NJ match though.

And Choshu is/was a very respectable wrestler afaik. Unless Hogan king hit sucker punched him from behind and ran away, there is no fucking way he would have got the better of Choshu in a shoot.

Oh and speaking of Choshu; the match where Maeda kicks Choshu in the face when Choshu is applying a sasorigatame, breaking Choshu's orbital bone.

**Kforcer** · 05-31-2009, 09:51 AM

Yeah, Hogan, in his autobiography, says he was booked to wrestle to a draw with Choshu, but that Fred Blassie told him to forget that and just beat Choshu up.

**Kforcer** · 05-31-2009, 09:56 AM

I remember hearing that some kid, who was a decorated amateur himself, actually took Steiner to school.

Some people think that Bob Backlund-Masakatsu Funaki turned into a shoot, essentially, or that they stopped cooperating and started going, but I think that's probably exaggerated considering the match ended with Funaki getting DQ'd for going off the top ropes with a drop-kick.