Official Professional Wrestling Discussion VII - Page 179

Big Burly · 07-06-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyBoy1985

Well there was the time Stan was stiffing Vader so hard (of course Vader was stiffing him back as well) that he knock Vader's eye out of the socket. That's pretty bad or excessive when you knock someone's eye out of the socket, though Vader did push it back in. Still, i agree with you, Stan Hansen certainly wasn't a bad worker. I enjoy watching Stan, and am a fan of his the same as you.

Oops, I forgot this famous example. I imagine Hansen and Vader (pre-match) agreed to go extra-stiff since they both enjoy it. Like they both got their "rocks off" at least until Vader had to poke his own eye back into place.

Even then, they didn't go to a quick finish. They still beat the shit out of each other for a bit.

Pro wrestling is extremely tough on the body. Anyone who thinks these guys aren't physically tough is nuts.

Smigg · 07-06-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcondice

Raven complaining about kids not knowing how to work? That's hilarious, like I'm thinking, yeah right, go throw somebody into thumbtacks, retard. Know what I mean? I also just have to say that it's funny that Raven has an entire DVD set about how to work, and shoot interviews where he sits down and criticises so many young guys. I don't think there's any footage of Raven ever having a good pro wrestling match in his entire life, and I don't think he's been involved in any match in the last five years that wasn't garbage wrestling. I digress though, enough ranting.

While Raven might not be the greatest ring technician in the world, in my opinion, there's no one better when it comes to actual ring psychology. He knows how to take the crowd and literally make them do whatever he wants them to do.

Part of working is having ring psychology, and he's right, the vast majority and young wrestlers have absolutely no idea about ring psychology. If you've had your knee worked over the entire match, you can't then sprint across the ring, run up to the top rope and perform a corkscrew moonsault, there's no structure in that and it makes your opponents offence throughout the match completely meaningless, which then makes the story within the match completely pointless.

You can't have every 5'8" 175lber on the roster Hulking Up and doing their nice pretty flippy floppy shit, because it just doesn't work that way.

punkmother · 07-06-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by zane

You know, I was just going to say something about that, then I read your post. Why the fuck should I vote for Vader if BB says people who work stiff "can't work". Hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by BrooklynBomber

4) Workrate: While admittedly stiff, he could work once calmed down as Ricky Steamboat pointed out, and is by many considered the best big man ever. His brawling was exceptional, and while almost anyone can brawl, how many 6'5 450 pounders can moonsault like a cruiserweight and are willing to bump their asses off to make their opponents look strong? Exactly. Vader was also a master of psychology, and didn't always have to rely on the classic big man vs. little man stuff. Watch his King of Cable tournament final with Sting and you'll be shocked it wasn't given 5 stars. The psychology of Sting using his superior conditioning to make Vader punch himself out ala Ali vs. Foreman was beautiful to watch unfold and one of the best examples of story telling you can ever see, and yeah it was a Sting match.

he acknowledges vader's stiffness. its not like he is pretending that the rules don't apply to one of his guys. i'm sure he docked points for the stiffness, but that is only one of the criteria for the voting.

punkmother · 07-06-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zane

Actually, I was quite the little mark for ECW back in 98 until it closed. Then I took a step back from the hardcore bullshit and got heavy into the people with actual fucking skill instead of some killer hitting someone with a sink then stabbing them in the middle of the ring.

you would have been 7 or 8 years old. forgive me if i don't buy your bullshit on that one. besides you have continued to ignore every post listing the skilled guys that were in ecw.

on another topic, why haven't you made a blog update (nationalsportsreview) in a while?

CCH · 07-06-2009, 09:13 PM

is the man. Nice promo at the beginning, and oh do I miss that music. Everybody's got a price....

Nature Boy · 07-06-2009, 09:15 PM

this is my first time watching Raw in a while and that was a very nice start.

**D.R.H.** · 07-06-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by punkmother

he acknowledges vader's stiffness. its not like he is pretending that the rules don't apply to one of his guys. i'm sure he docked points for the stiffness, but that is only one of the criteria for the voting.

As much as I hate when I'm forced to say this, Zane's right on this one. It is pretty hypocritical to in one breath say Vader was a great worker, one of the greatest big men ever, and in the next breath say anyone who throws stiff shots to make them look good can't work. Acknowledging Vader's stiffness only makes it more so.

**D.R.H.** · 07-06-2009, 10:58 PM

I've said it before, but I'll say it again. In HD, spray on tans make you look like an Oompaloompa.

CCH · 07-06-2009, 11:10 PM

The ending was relatively easy to see coming, but obviously a let down not to have the clean finish. Million Dollar Man is still great, and making his case in timely fashion for our HOF.

Nature Boy · 07-06-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by zane

I read the spoilers, and it honestly doesn't sound worth watching to me. The ending...god damn.

yeah, it was generally pretty boring all around. dibiase was interesting enough, but frankly between cena, HHH and orton i'm not sure who i despise more. for some reason after such a long layoff i wasn't expecting the same three tired acts vying for the title.

and is it just me or has orton gotten worse on the mic in the past year?