[NasDestiny]

Originally Posted by rncgnp

hahaha it was the only good popcorn gif i could find

No GIF at all! NO GIF AT ALL!

[rncgnp]

Originally Posted by BadNews

No, not a hardcore ECW fan but still a fan. I loved the Rock/Hogan match and wanted Hogan to win. I would have to look back over the last few years to list the guys who could have main-evented sooner.

both Hardys
Shelton
Kennedy
Burke

are just a few that come to mind

[rncgnp]

Originally Posted by NasDestiny

No GIF at all! NO GIF AT ALL!

did you have a bad experiance with Mr. Jackson?

[D.R.H.]

Originally Posted by BadNews

Warrior is the only one he jobbed CLEAN to, and is the only one he jobbed to IN HIS PRIME. Taker used a chair and Hogan was leaving the company anyway, Yoko used the fire thing and Hogan was leaving anyway. Any jobbing after that doesn't matter cause he should have been retired and could barely walk. Also, hardly any of those were clean jobs.

In his prime Hogan refused to do programs with : Jake Roberts, Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect, among others. He might have had a match here and there with them, but he would not allow a fued with these guys cause they were fresher, far more talented in the ring and on the mic, and he felt threatened by them. Instead we got fueds with Bossman(who was also better) and Earthquake. There's a reason why people like Flair, Hart, and Austin are beloved by their peers and Hogan is hated by everyone except Knobbs, Tugboat, and Big Show. LOL

As far as Undertaker, I stand by everything I said. A good big man no doubt, but his schtick got tired ten years ago and he takes up a spot someone like RVD could have taken sooner. Why don't you admit you're a mark for Hogan cuz he was your hero when you were a little boy and now your in denial about what a piece of garbage he is.

Are you friggin serious? I just said he was selfish and childish. The guys is about as irresponsible of a parent as you'll ever find, and is absolutely the king of politicing. That still doesn't mean he should be jobbing to people, especially the people he fueded with. Hulk Hogan is one of the very few people who has achieved a level beyond main eventer. He was a true superstar. Those guys are few and far between and their jobs should be treated the same way. Only other Superstars, or high level main eventers should ever beat them. As good as the guys like Jake, Rude, Perfect, Savage, Steamboat, and all the rest of that era were, they weren't on Hogan's level. They were upper midcard guys (with the exception of Savage who was a main eventer). They had no business beating Hogan, and despite what the smark view of today tells you, the fans of that era would not have accepted them beating Hogan. Hogan was the hero. He wasn't supposed to lose. No one wanted him to lose. Did Stone Cold job to more than 3 people when he was a face in his prime? No, because nobody wanted to see that. Did Goldberg lose in prime more than once? No, and he shouldn't have because that's what the fans wanted. As for them being more talented on the mic, you're delusional. There's a reason Hogan can still get a standing ovation after 20 years of the training, vitamins, and prayers promo, and it isn't from being a ring technician. As for Taker's schtick being tired for the last decade, I won't disagree. The thing is though, despite the fact that I don't care for the gimmick anymore, I can acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of the fans out there do. Taker's pop on Smackdown isn't added in post production. He's about as over as he can get, and has better matches than any other big man in WWE. But I guess Taker should retire just because you think RVD should have gotten a main event spot sooner. He should walk away from his success and paycheck just because a minority of fans think someone else would be better in his spot right? Do honestly think that's realistic, because that's what you're suggesting? Taker and Hogan didn't ruin finishers. The people who started using them as transition moves did. Rock would be one of the main offenders on this one, as would highspot indie guys.

[D.R.H.]

Originally Posted by rncgnp

both Hardys
Shelton
Kennedy
Burke

are just a few that come to mind

Kennedy and Burke shouldn't be in the main event for some time. You can't just jump ranks, people won't accept. You have to go rank to rank, level to level otherwise the workers get the overpushed backlash from the fans. Matt Hardy might make it up there, but the shouldn't be there now, which you're sort of suggesting. Jeff has had 2 chances to get elevated and both times his own problems have set him back. You can't anyone but himself for that one. Shelton you could make a case for.

[NasDestiny]

Originally Posted by rncgnp

did you have a bad experiance with Mr. Jackson?

Thriller freaks me out

[BadNews]

Not saying Hogan should have necassarily jobbed to those guys, but HE WOULD'NT EVEN WORK A PROGRAM WITH THEM.

Anyway, what's wrong with losing to Perfect, Rude, or Roberts? They're not big enough superstars? Yoko was a worldwide sensation? You forget that by the late 80's early 90's people were getting tired of seeing Hogan win all the time. Those guys were as good as any to AT LEAST WORK WITH the holy mecca one true champion of champions worldwide star Hulk Hogan.

Once again, genius, I stand by what I said about Taker.

Yes they did ruin finishers and before indy guys and transition moves. Deal with it.
And LOL at everyone being a smark except you.

[rncgnp]

Originally Posted by D.R.H.

Kennedy and Burke shouldn't be in the main event for some time. You can't just jump ranks, people won't accept. You have to go rank to rank, level to level otherwise the workers get the overpushed backlash from the fans. Matt Hardy might make it up there, but the shouldn't be there now, which you're sort of suggesting. Jeff has had 2 chances to get elevated and both times his own problems have set him back. You can't anyone but himself for that one. Shelton you could make a case for.

i think kennedy should feud with Jericho. that will give him a lot more exposure. allow him to show off promo skills, that is only if creative lets him work his own style into the $cripted promos. after a strong program like that, i think he will be ready for a good main event push.

matt deserves it just as much as anyone else. i feel he has proved himself since coming back the first time, and has gotten decent on promos. plus his work rate isnt to shabby. i just hope that he doesnt have to much ring rust when he comes back. but he is working house shows so im sure thats helping with that

[rncgnp]

Originally Posted by NasDestiny

Thriller freaks me out

[D.R.H.]

Originally Posted by BadNews

Not saying Hogan should have necassarily jobbed to those guys, but HE WOULD'NT EVEN WORK A PROGRAM WITH THEM.

Anyway, what's wrong with losing to Perfect, Rude, or Roberts? They're not big enough superstars? Yoko was a worldwide sensation? You forget that by the late 80's early 90's people were getting tired of seeing Hogan win all the time. Those guys were as good as any to AT LEAST WORK WITH the holy mecca one true champion of champions worldwide star Hulk Hogan.

Once again, genius, I stand by what I said about Taker.

Yes they did ruin finishers and before indy guys and transition moves. Deal with it.
And LOL at everyone being a smark except you.

Nothing is wrong with losing to Perfect, Rude, or Roberts if you're a normal guy. Hogan wasn't a normal guy though. Yoko wasn't a worldwide sensation by any means, but he was huge and that means a lot in Mcmahon land. Despite having considerable pull, this was still before the days of creative control. the buck stopped with Mcmahon, and at the end of the day he picked who Hogan worked with. If Hogan was really worried about more talented guys making him look bad, he would have never wanted to work programs with Savage, Piper, and Dibiase, and would have tried to politic out of them. If you think finisher's were ruined by two people being able to kick out them, and not by the dozens people who treated ddts and piledrivers like transitional headlocks, then I don't know what to say. The lack of logic on that one is mind boggling. I never said everyone but me is a smark. Just you. You can't get past the fact that most fans out there love them, even though you don't like Taker and Hogan. I'm still waiting for your answer on why exactly Taker should retire.