The Official Machida Sub-forum

[Navy_Chief]

Originally Posted by Ferret

He's Undefeated, he never gets touched in a fight let alone hurt. Sounds like the ultimate dream to me.

Not everyone wants to sit in the pocket like silva and end up looking like they are 70 years old when they are only 30.

Machida is amazing.

It's his lack of willingness to try and touch the other person that I have a problem with.

[Shogun420]

Originally Posted by endovelico

That pole also includes opinions from Tito fans, who were just pisssed at Machida. Again, show me objective proof that most of the outside world would think Machida is boring. I was actually watching the fight with 3 first time UFC watchers, and everysingle one of them thought Machida was exciting and only one of them did not like that fight above all the rest (he prefered the Wandy fight, no shame in that).

That would be spelled poll actually. The hundreds of you that like his style may not fit the demographic that the UFC caters to . That is just a poll not a true study. There are serious issues of validity and reliability to talk about before you proclaim one poll means squat. I feel the same way about Machida that I do about Rashad. I prefer the Pride rules which strongly factored in effort to finish the fight by KO or submission.

[Navy_Chief]

Originally Posted by Shogun420

That would be spelled poll actually. The hundreds of you that like his style may not fit the demographic that the UFC caters to . That is just a poll not a true study. There are serious issues of validity and reliability to talk about before you proclaim one poll means squat. I feel the same way about Machida that I do about Rashad. I prefer the Pride rules which strongly factored in effort to finish the fight by KO or submission.

We don't need post whores like yourself, coming on this forum and making logical posts! It totally wrecks the image of Sherdog!

[Full_Beserker]

Thats what I'm talking about!

[Shogun420]

Originally Posted by Streitzguy

In addition to all of those points by the TS, people seem to quickly forget that Machida almost finished Tito twice

A takedown with 11 seconds left until the round is hardly almost finishing a fight , and that knee was so late in the fight it didn't even matter. Machida stalled out the fight and had it won already by then. I'm ready for Machida to take on a contender this has gone on long enough. One loss and you nuthuggers will vanish, it happens every time.

[Reese8675]

Well said, finally someone with some since.

[Don of pain]

First of all it's not as black and white as the TS says it is. I appreciate all types of fighters, the fighters that go balls out and the effectively "elusive" (just kidding) fighters. What I don't understand about Machida though, is that he was willing to engage more so with sokoudjou (a murderer as the TS put it) then he would with a washed up Tito Ortiz.

Sokoudjou's standup is lightyears beyond Tito's but yet, when Tito was swinging on him in the second round and Machida literally ran backwards. I don't care how "elusive, evasive, tactical, etc" people think that is, that's just straight up running from your opponent. Machida won that fight no doubt, and he looked good in that fight as well, but to say that there aren't moments when you don't question his fight tactics as opposed to praising them is just biased.

P.S., TS, I'm not a fan of Machida, but i'd choose him over Kimbo Slice any day of the week.

[venom139]

Originally Posted by Donny Cage

"From a (vets perspective)"????

Ok... let me break it down for your leetness...

I've been involved in martial arts for probably longer than you've been alive... Started watching the UFC at yes, UFC 1. Hell, even been following the Gracies, since before then... (and no, I don't really give a damn if you believe it or not - it's nothing to brag about, it's just a matter of how long I've been around this sport)

I'm an experienced fighter, long time, experienced fan of the sport....

all that being said, and I still think Machida is a boring ass fighter.

In this sport, there is just more to it than winning. (Ask Matt Lindland, who wins most of his fights, but no one wants to watch him fight)... This is a sport (it's an ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS)... The FANS run the show... From a fan's perspective, he's boring as piss.

Sure his methods work (obviously)... But there is a reason so many people complain about him... he's just not exciting to watch.

MMA fans (and fans of fighting in general) want to see people finish fights. Fans want to see knock outs, and tap outs... they don't want to see some guy run around the ring, never truly engaging, throwing jabs, just winning the score card. This isn't TKD point fighting. This is MMA.

You have a right to your opinion.. whatever you like to watch is your business... but don't give me this leet talk bullshit. I've been around much longer than you have, so experience has nothing to do with "taste". I like to watch exciting fighters (as do most of us)... I don't really care for someone who can squeek out boring ass wins, via decision.

Nice post and perfect comparison. Lindland got TONS of hate for winning yet being boring as hell.

[espyking83]

Originally Posted by chado

well i guess it is a matter of preception, Chuck is my favorite fighter too, but how did tito help the sport when it was down by ducking Chuck for two years...

He didnt have a chance to quit, Chuck fucked him up too fast ( last time they faught was great to be there )

As for titos character.. that doesnt win you fights, he bitches and complains about every guy he has to fight, and wants to be treayed " as the champion i am" wtf is he champ of? his own fan ckub?


As for him and Dana thats for them I could give a shit.

B ack to the original point, people are com[plaing about Machida not finishing, when was the last time tito did? not shammy either,,, gonna have to back quite aways...

guys like Penn, Franklin, yeah shitty competion.. lyoto may not have the power of Chuck, but you cant deny he wins and does it his way.. would you rather win not getting hit, ot lose getting hit.. Lyotos take down defence and movement was insane. tito was shadow boxing. I see that as impressive, maybe you dont..

look man,i respect machida.only a fool would deny him his due.he has crazy talent,his ring control is up there with silva and chuck.my problem is his tempo,he drags fights.i want to watch an entertaining fight,not a fighter pad his record by eeking out a decision.

i would rather watch an entertaining fighter with a losing record that tries to finish fights than watch a very skilled fighter back pedal for 3 rounds.his style is typical of a counter puncher only he lacks power.

i hope when machida gets his title shot-or when he gains the title he finally leaves it all in the ring.until then,he is boring.

[FeralStyle]

Yea right, a division that has Chuck, Wanderlei, Rampage and even Thiago Silva is terrified of Machida who has won 4 of his last 5 fights by decision against slightly better than average competition. They are quaking at the idea of chasing him around the ring or the light leg kick and run tactic.