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Old 06-07-2007, 01:57 AM   #81 (permalink)

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One more time:

1. Not everyone trains MA to be the biggest badass, especially in the gym. It is, however, a mistake on your friends part if he thinks he is training to be a badass.

2. Aikido was an intentional departure from aiki-jujitsu, stressing philosophy over combat-ability. There are strikes in the latter, but they were essentially taken out of the former. Also, throws were made more 'flowing' and less utilitarian - tight aikido throws where the uke is not given room to fall correctly are dangerous and effective, just like judo throws done the same way.

3. Aikido is still great for cops and bouncers. I can use my muay thai to beat the crap outta some drunk, but after the clinch he's gonna have broken bones and I'm going to jail. Aikido is much less, err, damaging. It just doesn't work very well when the other guy knows what he's doing. And yes, there is nothing I know of in aikido that can deal with a simple jab - almost all of the techniques taught revolve around the other guy overcommitting to an attack.

The problem comes when people who do aikido forget the above and think they are studying to be Mr. Miyagi, and when people who do BJJ/etc forget that maybe other people are doing MA for different reasons. Both sets of people are annoying.

I don't find much of my old aikido useful in MMA - the distance-keeping parts are good, and it's kinda fun to do wrist locks when you are in an active guard - but I think they are two very different things.

Your friend might be a little delusional, but he's not hurting anyone. Just roll your eyes and move on.
Dude, if my friend came to me and said. I know that Aikido wasn't the most practical form of self-defense there is and that he just basically enjoyed the philosophical aspect of the style, so be it. I would never have a problem with it at all. To each his own, whatever floats your boat.

But dude, my friend actually thinks that Aikido would dominate all other forms of martial arts. He walks around saying $h1t like, "you know I can kick your a$$".

That is a totally different animal all together. No, my friend is not trying to be a cop or a bouncer, he doesn't care about not breaking bones for the cops, etc. He really thinks he's a bad ass and I want to prove it to him before he does something stupid.

As I've stated before, me beating him up will not change his mind because he can already accept that I'm the better fighter.
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Aikido is choreographed dancing compliant bullshido. Just watch demo videos and see for yourself... grab wrist, person flies through the air like a rag doll for no apparent reason, etc. People should never train this and expect to win in any realistic fighting situation. Train this as you would train capoeira, for a hobby and not for self defense.
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I have an idea... tell him you want to fight, hand him your wrist, even be semi compliant. Show him it still doesn't work.
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I have an idea... tell him you want to fight, hand him your wrist, even be semi compliant. Show him it still doesn't work.
Hand him my wrist? He'd still be able to do small joint locks with just my wrist.

What do you mean by semi compliant?
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