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Originally Posted by GrecoMan
They also don't really have much skill in making three-point baskets or throwing touchdowns, either. What's your point? MMA fighter don't claim to be great "boxers." Heck, many don't profess to being strikers at all. If traditional boxing was a dangerous mode of fighting, the MMA world would be filled with boxing champs. Instead, it's filled with wrestlers, BJJ practitioners and other martial artists who combine striking, kicking and grappling. If boxers are claiming that they could win, come try it. Prediction: swing, miss, get taken down, say good night.
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Agree, mostly.
A Wrestler beats a Boxer.
It’s simple: Shoot, grab, takedown & do whatever, just don’t eat a KO blow on the way in because nobody in MMA can punch like a good Boxer can & wrestlers don’t have to have a chin at all to become great wrestlers, so many actually don’t.
A Wrestler with some cross training and experience taking shots will do it even better.
Of course, but the same token, a guy with great hands who can also Wrestle beats a Wrestler too.
In MMA, you do whatever your opponent doesn’t do so well to find your advantage.
Don’t Box the Boxer, don’t Wrestle the Wrestler, don’t Kick the Kicker, most of the time.
Sometimes you can pull a Gonzaga to capitalize on the element of surprise, but most times not. You get to your opponent where he’s weakest.
Beyond that hard to measure natural talent, adding to the tool kit, all else being equal, is what dictates the outcomes, hence the trend to become well rounded when the rules allow you to fight well rounded.
As to why you don’t see winning Boxers in their prime jumping over & cross training their skills to meet the rules of MMA and make themselves rounded, there is another perspective though, called economics:
If my hands are great, I’m going into boxing, not MMA or K-1 or Judo or Shoot fighting or Muay Thai or………
Why ?
Total Number of single fight purses in excess of $250,000.00 (in U.S. Dollars) 1996-2006
Boxing: 173
MMA: 4
Total Number of single fight purses in excess of $50,000.00 (in U.S. Dollars) 1996-2006
Boxing: 1,607
MMA: 82
(Source: N.A.A.G. Boxing task force. Figures reported from: United States, United Kingdom, Thailand, Japan, Republic of Korea (ROK), Argentina, Panama, Nicaragua, Germany, Russian Federation, France, Ukraine, Italy, Mexico, Canada, Netherlands, Brazil, Belgium, Denmark, Australia, Republic of Ireland, Venezuela, Colombia, and China reporting).
Anyway, Boxers can afford to be “snobby” because they’ve perfected skills that pay more, and not by a little.
Same thing applies to how a Surgeon might view a street sweeper.
If that street sweeper is smart enough, he can go to Medical School and one day see eye to eye with the Surgeon, and in the same vein, if a MMA fighter has good enough punches, chin and stamina, he can go to Boxing school, as the only way to one day see eye to eye with the top Boxer.
I don’t believe at all that any Boxer feels that their Boxing alone would allow them to beat MMA’s top guns at their own game.
I think that they look at the rewards available for winning a MMA fight, and conclude that it really doesn’t mean too much to win one.
…….And the economics back that up.
Big difference.
"What I do Has Value"
We all have a little of that in us no matter what we do.
That's where those types of comments come from, be it from a Boxer, a MMA fighter or whatever.
That's just such an ignorant statement with no basis in facts. Most of the people I know think the ground game is dull.
