[bengt]

I have never seen a duck do a low kick.

[kenli]

Originally Posted by BoneSnapper

Wow! thats strange coming from an American. I am living overseas and come in contact with a lot of people from the US and some training MMA. They really have the perception they are superior athletically and especially the black population.

IMO it comes down to who want to dedicate more to the sport. The glory,money and respect that a country give to a certain sport play a large importance. And on the issue of race I would have to go with environment and opportunities.

For the absolute best athletes, it comes down to glory, money, respect, AND talent/genetics. That's the difference-maker really. the US simply has a larger pool to draw athletes from and a better chance of the most naturally gifted ones surfacing.

I'd agree, if it weren't for the fact that the US has the highest paid athletes in the world, and the BEST athletes outside of the US come here to play. Even then, the vast majority of the athletes in these sports here are native to the U.S.

I'm not from the US BTW, but it's really hard to dismiss their dominance in athleticism when you look at the big picture.

[kenli]

Originally Posted by BoneSnapper

You cant be that naive.

You have looked at Population differences haven't you when looking at Olympic medals? Americans are underachievers when you look at the population size. America just blast the world with sports that are popular in the US to give the impression they are the best as usual.

Um, I thought we were talking about the BEST athletes, not the number of good athletes vs. out of shape people ratio lol. By your argument China and India are the most athletically underachieving group of people ever.

Americans are by and large fat lazy slobs, but they still have produce best athletes overall.

[shevegen]

look guys, the answer is damn simple:

There are a lot of great gyms in the netherlands. That includes a lot of good fighters.

But they are all still "only" humans and everyone can be beat.

[shevegen]

look guys, the answer is damn simple:

There are a lot of great gyms in the netherlands. That includes a lot of good fighters.

But they are all still "only" humans and everyone can be beat.

[tomb_stoner360]

Your logic makes no sense whatsoever.

[NoSmilez]

Originally Posted by BRASCO

In Holland there is NO diffrence between amateur fights or profesional fights. If you wanne fight you begin in the:

N-Class (Newbie league):
2 rounds of 2 minute
You wil fight 3 or 4 fights, and win minimal two or three fights.

C-Class:
3 rounds of 2 minute
After the N-clas you become a C-class fighter and wil fight approximatly fight 6 or 7 fights in the C-class.

B-Class:
5 rounds of 2 minute
After C-class fighter you become a B-class fighter. To become a B fighter you had fought between the 10 and 20 fights.

A-Class:
5 rounds of 3 minute
The A-Class league is the highest competition you can get in Holland, now you are ready to fight everybody at you weight.
If you are an A-class fighter in Holland you have already a lot of experience if you compare that to other countries (except Thailand ofcourse).

NOTE: Your trainer wil decide when you are ready to go to the next Class. Some fighters fight just 2 fights and go the the C class and some fighters fight 5 fights to go the C-class. Your trainer decide's when you are ready to go to the next class.

in n class. do you wear shinpads and helmet? or its all full contact? and do u automatically get paid?

[bombom2008]

good post. Ive been thinking about this also.

I laughed at some of the comments.Like that guy with his evolution theory..and couple of americans switching to defense mode because of the "americans dont like to kick"comment)) and not to forget the ganja post! ganjabas)) they even found it in Shakepears basement..think there could be a corelation between ganja and talent? lol, everything is possible))

Seriously, there isnt just one reason. It must be a combination of couple of them.

Im not ethnically dutch but ive been living here for 9 years. Iow, i had the opportunity to observate how things work here.

the combnation of reasons i talked before in a row:

A) Dutch are sportive. This is a fact. In this land people start sporting at a very young age(5-6 y old). They start young with sports like football, swimming and judo. The dutch like cycling very much theyre so passionate in it, that the infrastructure is adjusted to cyclers.( you can see "garages" for cycles everywhere, for example)It is also considered normal to cycle near automobile roads(roads for cyclers are colored beige). You really cant find a place in Holland where people dont cycle on roads. And you dont only see young and middle-aged people on cycles but also a lot of seniors.

B) IMHO, the fact that dutch eat a lot of cheese and like to drink a lot of milk(more at young age, when the physical fundament and structure is being set) has to do with the "hard legs" moment. Milk and yellow cheese deliver a lot of important minerals(like calcium) to the young body. It hardens the bone structure. One could argue this one, of course

C) Dutch mentality. If i said that ive never seen such a disciplined nation as the dutch, i wouldnt be exagereting. Theyre very hard working. Hard working and disciplined.

D) I think A,B, and C combined with the reasons stated before me, are enough for now..

Excuse me for my bad english..

[deckingdutchman]

Originally Posted by bombom2008

good post. Ive been thinking about this also.

I laughed at some of the comments.Like that guy with his evolution theory..and couple of americans switching to defense mode because of the "americans dont like to kick"comment)) and not to forget the ganja post! ganjabas)) they even found it in Shakepears basement..think there could be a corelation between ganja and talent? lol, everything is possible))

Seriously, there isnt just one reason. It must be a combination of couple of them.

Im not ethnically dutch but ive been living here for 9 years. Iow, i had the opportunity to observate how things work here.

the combnation of reasons i talked before in a row:

A) Dutch are sportive. This is a fact. In this land people start sporting at a very young age(5-6 y old). They start young with sports like football, swimming and judo. The dutch like cycling very much theyre so passionate in it, that the infrastructure is adjusted to cyclers.( you can see "garages" for cycles everywhere, for example)It is also considered normal to cycle near automobile roads(roads for cyclers are colored beige). You really cant find a place in Holland where people dont cycle on roads. And you dont only see young and middle-aged people on cycles but also a lot of seniors.

B) IMHO, the fact that dutch eat a lot of cheese and like to drink a lot of milk(more at young age, when the physical fundament and structure is being set) has to do with the "hard legs" moment. Milk and yellow cheese deliver a lot of important minerals(like calcium) to the young body. It hardens the bone structure. One could argue this one, of course

C) Dutch mentality. If i said that ive never seen such a disciplined nation as the dutch, i wouldnt be exagereting. Theyre very hard working. Hard working and disciplined.

D) I think A,B, and C combined with the reasons stated before me, are enough for now..

Excuse me for my bad english..

I'm dutch myself (lived there till I was 9), and this may sound somewhat arrogant, but I definitely agree with C. People here are lazy in general, and there's not many people here who are really focused enough to push themselves to the limit everyday. Even in more advanced boxing classes at well-respected gyms you see people lose focus after a certain degree of fatigue. The dutch don't seem to do that as much.

Another thing I noticed is that the dutch generally have a lot higher pain tolerance. Must dutch guys can take a couple good shots in the groin and they won't go down. At my high school here most guys flinch if not outright drop to a fetal position when they get sack tapped once or twice. Big difference.

Again, not trying to be arrogant, but this is just what i notice in general.

[BoneSnapper]

Originally Posted by kenli

For the absolute best athletes, it comes down to glory, money, respect, AND talent/genetics. That's the difference-maker really. the US simply has a larger pool to draw athletes from and a better chance of the most naturally gifted ones surfacing.

I'd agree, if it weren't for the fact that the US has the highest paid athletes in the world, and the BEST athletes outside of the US come here to play. Even then, the vast majority of the athletes in these sports here are native to the U.S.

I'm not from the US BTW, but it's really hard to dismiss their dominance in athleticism when you look at the big picture.

Olympics Medals Ranks geographic.org

America ranked 46 for medals per capita.

Other sports that are most popular world wide

soccer
cricket
rugby
tennis
field hockey

Despite the huge population they don't dominate in any of them. Tennis they have their share of champs but do not dominate by a long shot. America is best at entertainment I give them that.

Any sport outside of American popular sports they do terribly at. Especially sports that are the more popular around the world that more practice in.

Look at the olympics for example on total medals per sport (not olympic total) and America dominate in very few. They get more medals by have more competitors.
It narrows down to baseball, basketball,boxing.
Wow sports that they made popular world wide by having control of the entertainment industry.Hence advertising and grandstanding their best athletes.

As far as why dont china and India dominate in sport.
You do know that Asians do not focus on sports as much as academics which is why they are dominate in it (academics)?

You may want to use the argument that Americas top athletes are often drafted towards NFL or NBA.

So are other countries athletes. The top athletes veer towards the sports most popular in their country. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this
For instance, a lot of Australian athletes move towards rugby league or Aussie rules which is not played that much in other countries other than the UK. Aussie rules is only played in Aus.But you wouldnt know this as Australia do not have control over most of the entertainment industry like America.

It amazes me how Americans presume their national sports require more athletic ability than sports played by other countries.

America constanty bombards the world with claims of this basketball player or NFL player is the most gifted athlete in the world.

Like I said they dominate the entertainment industry that is for sure.