[Pride Dream]

Originally Posted by Sam Samerson

Ill tell you why the dutch dominate. Its because they're the only country outside Thailand and japan that cares about kick boxing. Compared to the amount of people that play football (american) and basketball and baseball kick boxing is done by no one. Our boxers are the best but thats it.

The amount of people who kick box in Holland is way more than in the US. Even at only 16 million people you probably would still find way more kick boxers in Holland. Also the dutch are way bigger than the Thai's and they will naturally have a huge advantage in the upper weight classes.

In comparison to the rest of europe, because its so popular there is a big kick boxing culture which leads to innovative training and a good focus.

If kick boxing was big in the US we'd dominate at it. No one in the world can compete with the athleticism of black people from the US. At 12% of the population they dominate 85% of the sports and have won more gold ****ls per size of their population than any other ethnicity.

Care about kickboxing?? It hardly gets any media coverage. Only Bonjasky gets invited onto television, but that's because he is such a gentleman who first studied at an university...

As for facts, I'm pretty confident that the USA has more kickboxers then Holland. Count in Karate Kid wannabees and all the MMA practitioners. That's more people then whole in Holland.

[Midnight Cougar]

The reason they are so good is because there are more of them kickboxing than most.

[Aarish]

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[kenli]

Originally Posted by Michael Wanaka

I'd look at economic reasons for black success in sports, more than a biological "evolution" argument, which doesn't hold. Evolution takes longer than a couple hundred years.

Not if you introduce selective breeding... Which is exactly what happened. Look at how fast we can change dogs in only a few generations.

[kenli]

Originally Posted by Kaminoko

best athlets or not it does not matter, if you don't know how to block a lowkick you need to gtfo. Its not that you guys do not like kicking, its just the lack of skills and thinking yea I'm gonna stap in that ring and knock him out. Those lowkicks canot hurt me.

best athlets or not it does not matter, if you don't know how to block a punch you need to gtfo. Its not that you guys do not like punching, its just the lack of skills and thinking yea I'm gonna stap in that ring and knock him out. Those punches canot hurt me.


Keep on going. I'm amused by your utter lack of any logic whatsoever.

Dutch are fucking weak! If you can't dunk on KOBE then GTFO!!!

[SLaKKJaW]

Originally Posted by kenli

Yes it's that small. Much smaller actually.

IMO, you can't deny, that in terms of sheer athleticism, the US have the best athlets overall. We need only look at the NBA/NFL players and the # of medals the US consistently takes home.

For some reason the US just doesn't like kicking lol.

Having a population of 300+ million to draw from sure helps us. I'm sure the ratio of athletic individuals to slobs is the same in Holland as compared to the U.S. They just have 5% of our population in numbers to draw on.

In addition, compared to most other countries, we have more money per capita. More money means better facilities and more opportunity to let the more athletic coast along competing rather than needing to work to survive. Thus more focus on enhancing their bodies and skill levels.

As far as Dutch domination.. Well, it's gotta be based on popularity. In the U.S., Muay Thai is not popular at all. MMA is on the rise, but it's only dragging Muay Thai up in popularity in a small percentage of the demographic that's into MMA. Muay Thai skills are more popular than actual Muay Thai fights or fighters, if you can understand my meaning.

Most athletes are in for a bit of glory. There's glory here in Football, Basketball, Baseball, Track, etc.. Not Mauy Thai. In Holland, Muay Thai fighters are known and respected and some of them revered.

[SLaKKJaW]

Originally Posted by Michael Wanaka

I'd look at economic reasons for black success in sports, more than a biological "evolution" argument, which doesn't hold. Evolution takes longer than a couple hundred years.

QFT, to a degree. The rest is societal. You aspire for glory in the things that your part of society reveres. Take that group of individuals that is driven toward success and they will succeed, no matter what. And as racist as it sounds, much of "black culture" is geared more toward athletics and entertainment than toward professional careers. Not that they can't do it just as well as anyone else (and a lot definitely do), but there's less glory in it. So you get these driven individuals who, per capita, strive for athletic greatness and don't subscribe to the whole "well, I gave it a run. Now I'll go with my backup plan cause it got hard" theory that a lot of other cultures in the U.S. do.

[BoneSnapper]

Originally Posted by SLaKKJaW

Having a population of 300+ million to draw from sure helps us. I'm sure the ratio of athletic individuals to slobs is the same in Holland as compared to the U.S. They just have 5% of our population in numbers to draw on.

In addition, compared to most other countries, we have more money per capita. More money means better facilities and more opportunity to let the more athletic coast along competing rather than needing to work to survive. Thus more focus on enhancing their bodies and skill levels.

As far as Dutch domination.. Well, it's gotta be based on popularity. In the U.S., Muay Thai is not popular at all. MMA is on the rise, but it's only dragging Muay Thai up in popularity in a small percentage of the demographic that's into MMA. Muay Thai skills are more popular than actual Muay Thai fights or fighters, if you can understand my meaning.

Most athletes are in for a bit of glory. There's glory here in Football, Basketball, Baseball, Track, etc.. Not Mauy Thai. In Holland, Muay Thai fighters are known and respected and some of them revered.

Wow! thats strange coming from an American. I am living overseas and come in contact with a lot of people from the US and some training MMA. They really have the perception they are superior athletically and especially the black population.

IMO it comes down to who want to dedicate more to the sport. The glory,money and respect that a country give to a certain sport play a large importance. And on the issue of race I would have to go with environment and opportunities.

[NoSmilez]

these are the stats. there are 2k-3k professional western boxers living in the united states. and western boxing is way more popular than thaiboxing in the united states. they have a golden gloves tournment and olympics for amateurs

[Oebla]

Originally Posted by Aarish

nick diaz likes amsterdam

Sure, everyone who loves to get stoned likes Amsterdam.