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Old 07-16-2008, 08:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Why Did MAX Change the Finals Format?

Is it just me or has every MAX finals had 8 fighters that go in and you have to fight 3 times to win it all?

I can think of epic tournaments (06), (04) when the winners had 3 epic fights for it all. Now the finals are just 4 fighters? Is this just so Masato gets the victory? Am I way behind on this discussion?
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wear and tear on the fighters is what i've read, fighters having to drop out of the tourny due to injuries from previous matches ( Masato ) is a biig no no now
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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LAME LAME LAME!

fuck that sucks. It just doesnt seem as exciting. I mean, WGP has had this format for 15 years and those are the HW guys!
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Wear and tear on the fighters is what i've read, fighters having to drop out of the tourny due to injuries from previous matches ( Masato ) is a biig no no now
The wear and tear thing is hard to justify. In all of MAX in only one instance was there ever a fighter that had to pullout out due to injury (Masato). Compare this to the HWs where there have been tons of cases where alternates had to be called in, and even situations where there were no alternates the losing fighter was used as a replacement. Yet MAX is the one that gets the tournament format changed.

It's a shame because K-1 has always been about the tournament, the whole slogan of the old K-1 used to be "All Roads Lead to the Dome" since Tokyo Dome was where the finals usually where (for HWs at least). Injuries, fatigue, all of those were big parts of what made winning a GP really hard because it was so wearing on the body. The GP was never about who was the best fighter that night, it was always about who was the toughest and most tenacious. Besides in K-1 fighters lose to each other so often that one fight didn't neccessarily prove who was better than the other, it was a lot more unpredicatble and exciting that way. If you want to watch who's the better fighter when fighting fresh then watch single fights but K-1 has always been about the GP.

In MAX though I guess that's just not the case since much more than K-1 it's a character based promotion driven by the charisma of its stars. In fact it has been said before that the MAX is basically the Masato show. Take the tournament lottery where fighters choose their brackets and opponents. Masato this year got a free pick, along with Andy Souwer. Now the defending champion always gets a free pick but usually only the defending champion. Here though it's the defending champion and Masato. And the argument's already been made that Masato is the main reason for changing the format regardless of what other justification they give. So yes at the moment MAX is the Masato show and while it's not undeserved since he is their biggest star along with very likely their best fighter (in their top 3 at least) I still hope that regardless of this the event and talent pool does not become compromised more in the future just for the sake of favoritism.
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Old 07-16-2008, 09:51 PM   #5 (permalink)

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dam you masato but your still my fav fighter
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masato was injured last year and souwer was injured when buakaw beat him in the finals...



the change may be good because the old rules made it more advantageous to fight defensively....


hope the rule changes work and the finals are awesome....the final eight was entertaining...

hope the fight network here in canada show the final live like last years gp finals
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The wear and tear thing is hard to justify. In all of MAX in only one instance was there ever a fighter that had to pullout out due to injury (Masato). Compare this to the HWs where there have been tons of cases where alternates had to be called in, and even situations where there were no alternates the losing fighter was used as a replacement. Yet MAX is the one that gets the tournament format changed.

It's a shame because K-1 has always been about the tournament, the whole slogan of the old K-1 used to be "All Roads Lead to the Dome" since Tokyo Dome was where the finals usually where (for HWs at least). Injuries, fatigue, all of those were big parts of what made winning a GP really hard because it was so wearing on the body. The GP was never about who was the best fighter that night, it was always about who was the toughest and most tenacious. Besides in K-1 fighters lose to each other so often that one fight didn't neccessarily prove who was better than the other, it was a lot more unpredicatble and exciting that way. If you want to watch who's the better fighter when fighting fresh then watch single fights but K-1 has always been about the GP.

In MAX though I guess that's just not the case since much more than K-1 it's a character based promotion driven by the charisma of its stars. In fact it has been said before that the MAX is basically the Masato show. Take the tournament lottery where fighters choose their brackets and opponents. Masato this year got a free pick, along with Andy Souwer. Now the defending champion always gets a free pick but usually only the defending champion. Here though it's the defending champion and Masato. And the argument's already been made that Masato is the main reason for changing the format regardless of what other justification they give. So yes at the moment MAX is the Masato show and while it's not undeserved since he is their biggest star along with very likely their best fighter (in their top 3 at least) I still hope that regardless of this the event and talent pool does not become compromised more in the future just for the sake of favoritism.

Epic and PERFECT post. FUCK!!! SO perfect!!!

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Old 07-17-2008, 01:41 AM   #9 (permalink)

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one of the reasons is masato yes, but for masato to get the victory i don't know.
He had to fight against drago, and he was in the same bracket as buakaw. It seemed he did not get a free pass.
I think this format is better for max.
Buakaw was injured in the final aganst souwer in 2005. Souwer was injured in 2006 in the finals, and masato was injured in 2007
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