[burn-boy]

Rob Kaman is the best EVA

[number8]

Dekkers!!!!

[number8]

Originally Posted by US Tomato Can

Neither of them are p4p best.

Dekkers is..You're a joke buddy.

[number8]

Originally Posted by US Tomato Can

All pros fight for money...Let the excuses continue.....

that's right keep it up with your 3000+ posts ..lol...get a girlfriend or something..

[v1tal1]

Originally Posted by Jofeljoh!

Dekkers wasn't the best in his weightclass, allthough he probably was amongst them. In his prime he probably was pretty the most dominant in Thaiboxing, at least European/modified rules. On full Thai rules, especially in the beginning in his carreer he got 'outclassed' by the Thais... with that I mean they were just better on those rules, Dekkers wasn't used to them also... Especially the elbows and clinches bothered them, and those are ofcourse important aspect in Thailand. Dekkers speciality was his boxing, which doesn't score as much.

Many people claim that he was robbed several times in Thailand, being it home-decisions etc... those are not true, at least most of them. It was just the rules. Allthough there are fights which he completely dominated with his boxing combinations, dazzled his opponent several times, but still lost. Alltough that doesn't seem right, it actually is, according to the rules. Sucky, but that's the way it is

Besides all that, there always is serious betting going on in Thailand, so you'd better not screw with decisions, because you then screw with the bets and the people! You don't want pissed off people losing all their money so to speak

About Hoost, well, you can pretty much say he's the best in the heavyweights, along with Aerts. Aerts is a bit underrated with Hoost, but both are extreme good technicians, with knockout power in every available technique (at least in their primes). Both have highkick, lowkick, punch and knee-knockouts... Hoost ofcourse didn't get the Mr Perfect nickname for nothing, and allthough he has 4 K-1 GPs won, and Aerts 3, I just want to place them on the same level of skill and achievement. Aerts actually won from Hoost when I consider them both in their primes (98).

It's always hard to compare fighters pound for pound. In lighter weightclasses you generally have less KO's, but more fast, technical actions. In the heavyweights it's the other way around. That's why Dekkers has such an incredible record: over 200 fights, 175 wins, 90 KO's. That's an extreme accomplishment. Even today his sparringpartners say he hits almost like a heavyweight. Dekkers in his beginning of his carreer was a relentless fighter, later on he became more of a relaxed tactician in the ring, just chosing he chances. See his comeback fight against Ludwig for example, of his former farewell fight against Marino DeFlorin. Just calm, picking his (incredible powerful) shots.

I don't want to pick none of them as the best P4P, and besides that, you just forget there were so many other great(er) fighters in Dekkers weightclass before... (Sakmongkong, Jomhod, Jongsanan, and the list goes on and on...)

This is pretty damn accurate. Instead of rewriting it and explaining my position futher, I'll just quote.

There's nothing incorrect about anything said above, I just don't put the same emphasis on the same things he did. I don't have the same criteria for P4P greatest.

Ramon Dekker is simply P4P a better fighter than Hoost. In a sport dominated by thais, who devote entire lives from 4 years old until they are crippled by the sport, Ramon thrived. Hoost fought HW, Yes, he could be considered the best in his weight class, however that talent pool is exponentially smaller. I am not implying there is no HW talent, but its a simple matter of numbers. Ramon fought in the thick of the Thai average weight.

Ramon is a far superior boxer; crisper, faster punches. He has better combinations with the hands without question. IMO kicking is more or less the same. Also Ramon is not considered the best in his division because of the lack of emphasis Thai Boxing places on punches. I personally think in his prime, fighting European style rules, Ramon is the best in his division.

[baconCrunch]

Originally Posted by US Tomato Can

P4P any where I'd have to say Samart is an outstanding choice. Not only for his accomplishments in Muay Thai but also because he proved to be a formidable boxer. He was lightining quick and had ridiculous power as well.

i agree
there are so many more accomplshed thaiboxers than hoost or dekkers
dekkers is certainly the most celebrated and best accomplished WHITE/caucasian/western/european fighter of all time (but that is excluding all the thais)
hoost is one of the most accomplished heavyweights (but within a very small talent pool) and pool that is nonexistant in thai. and anyone who has exp in thaiboxing can see that hoost had a great punch-lowkick style for k-1 rules
BUT never had not much of a muay thai game.


samart i enjoy watching the most,
he makes hoost's technique look sloppy

[US Tomato Can]

Originally Posted by number8

that's right keep it up with your 3000+ posts ..lol...get a girlfriend or something..

3000 posts in 3 years versus your 528 in 3 months? No wonder your dumb ass picked up yellow cards in addition to rating Dekkers as more than what he is.

[ChinBo37]

Originally Posted by v1tal1

Ramon is a far superior boxer; crisper, faster punches. He has better combinations with the hands without question. IMO kicking is more or less the same. Also Ramon is not considered the best in his division because of the lack of emphasis Thai Boxing places on punches. I personally think in his prime, fighting European style rules, Ramon is the best in his division.

hmm I am not sure about this point. I have seen a lot of Hoost and Dekkers fights and I would say that Hoost's boxing was as good as Dekkers minus the power.

[JoBobLivesAgain]

why dont we all be mature and realize that there is no best, there is just bad ass.
Dekkers was badass in a realm with more competition than the amount of people most of us know.
Hoost was pretty damn bad ass. He beat a lot of dudes who are as well bad ass, he also looked very good because K1 does this, they make you look bad ass by beating down on dudes maybe not bad ass enough for the right to face you but they do anyways. He got caught sometimes but not most of the time.
Kaman, pretty damn bad ass. People forget he aint huge and he has a different body type. Rob was a bad ass who was good for the weight he fought at. Hoost more easily fought heavier guys cause he is a lanky big dude. Kaman, though perfectly athletic and skilled, is not the same lanky tall bastard as Hoost Hoost was much smaller than the man you have seen of late when he fought Kaman.

I would say that Hoost and Kaman were pretty bad ass and ruled with a pretty damn iron fist. Dekkers has a myth around him that he was this ubeatable bad ass, no no. Dekkers was a total bad ass because he would never turn down a fight especially if the odds were shitty. Thats why the Thais love him and why he has such a rep. He has wooped a lot of dudes, but he has been wooped by way more dudes than have wooped Hoost and Kaman combined.

They are all bad ass dudes though in the end.

[Pankratios]

Originally Posted by Makavelli

He got 60.000 $ for that fight and that was a lot at that time. He didn't fight that often for that kind of money. Unfortunately for him and dekkers, muay thai just didn't pay that good in their primes.
Everybody knows kaman would have wooped roufus under thai rules. So kaman would surely have wanted to fight him under thai rules roufus just didn't dare too.
And kaman did fight him under his rules so props for him

LeBanner TKOed Roufus with low kicks in K1. Roufus Low Kick game isn't that great.