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Kyokushin most certainly does use knees. The no punching in the face thing is a competition rule. During actual training, punches to the face are taught. Just like in BJJ, there are things you practice for actual self-defense in a “real world situation” that you cannot use or implement in competition.
I train in Kyokushin (have done so since I have 10), and if any one in the Lawrence, Massachusetts area wants to checkout the training for themselves, then come to the following school:
United Kyokushin
Kyokushin Karate & Kenkakaikan Jitsu
199 Essex Street
Lawrence, MA 01841 USA
978-975-7701
Marco A. Ayala sempaimarco@unitedkyokushin.com
As far as Muay Thai being a better style than Kyokushin or any other stand-up art is concerned, that's bullshit. Styles don't make fighters. Fighters make the style. There are guys at my school who would fuck anyone up regardless of what their martial arts backgrounds were. Also, there are guys at my gym who would be pawned by fighters from other disciplines. There is no martial art out there that would automatically assure victory. It all boils down to how much time & effort one puts into his or her training that will make him or her successful.
What's Kenkakaikan Jitsu?
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Here is the original KK vs MT fight. One of Oyama's top students vs a former Lumpini champ. I think KKs biggest downfall is the lack of punching to the head. The odd thing in this video is that it is the KK fighter's boxing skills that win him this fight.
KK + boxing is a great combo and does very well under K1 rules. Overall I would say MT is the more complete art but even today many of the fighters in Thailand lack good boxing skills and use mostly kicks and knees in the clinch. Anyway here is the video.
Most MT guys from Thailand can't box worth a damn because of their stance. Look at the Dutch fighters when they started running the place. Their hands are positioned like traditional boxers and used to great effect.
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Eventually a good fighter will incorporate the useful parts of other styles to improve their game. Therefore making them style-less in a sense, besides the fact that they started in a certain style.
If you train full contact using any techniques, you can better translate that into MMA. The TMAs traditionally do not spar 100% full contact which is why the react so bad in the cage. Guys like Machida that spar full contact can take their other skills and use them in MMA
Kenkakaikan is a form of Karate that is not widely known or practiced much outside of Malaysia or Australia. Kenkakaikan Jitsu is a form of Karate that concentrates on grappling, throwing, & joint locking techniques as well as striking. In essence, it is a mix martial art.
If you train full contact using any techniques, you can better translate that into MMA. The TMAs traditionally do not spar 100% full contact which is why the react so bad in the cage. Guys like Machida that spar full contact can take their other skills and use them in MMA
100% contact you mean no pads? If you mean 100% force then just about every MMA gym i know and have heard of goes 100% once a week ususally at least with sparring.
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Last edited by schermstorm : 04-26-2008 at 05:07 AM.
I'm a die hard muay thai guy but there are kyokushin fighters who I enjoy watching. If I had to choose which art I was going to watch, Muay Thai will always win. Nothing beats the feeling of walking into Raja or Lumpini and hearing the music being played lived and hearing the gamblers yelling KNEE KNEE late in the 4th rd of a fight.
