[TheJoker]

Originally Posted by speedlight

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&PID=519
look machida still trains in karate 3 days a week
but he does do shotokan
but karate is better then muay thai

Better for what??? Seriously, it is comparing apples and oranges. The fighter, the style, are they on or off? Rules? There is not obvious STYLE advantage (so much depends on the fighter).

However, the rule-set does determine a LOT. If a guy goes in only looking to punch/kick, well, the guy who has knees and elbows and looks to use them will be better off in close range. A LOT depends though.

ALSO, there is a big difference in styles. I cannot emphasize this enough. All the video I have ever seen of MT guys going against Tae Kwon Do, or other striking arts, the MT guys have MOVED FORWARD and simply attacked with power to the legs, or anywhere, then did not worry about the power of those styles. Having studied them all, MT has an advantage in that it is all power. Go to legs, sweep just with a leg kick, lol, mix it up in close. Muy Thai, traditionally, is a solid striking art. HOWEVER, if you have power, and are aware of how they think (MT fighters), you can have success. If they don't fear your power, they will walk through you (literally). BUT, in fights where the Karate-ka or whatever else was powerful, patient, and USED THEIR HEADS and realized they could NOT fight a MT guy like a Karate point-sparring session, well, they did alright. This is why I say fighters matter most. I prefer to break down each fighter, KNOW the style, but know the fighter. If somebody is on the high school wrestling team, expect him to use hands as mis-direction to get in close (maybe), or to close the distance (in any case). Not going to think too much that he is an efficient kicker. Know the style. BUT, also know the fighter. Everyone has their own tricks, own approaches, and too many variables go into it.

Now, having said that, I think like Musashi; once the sword is drawn, it is for ONE purpose; cut down the enemy. MT guys, standup, they are TRAINED to go for the KO. They throw power. that is the style. BUT, having said this, there is no reason that a Karate-ka could not be successful. Just a matter of realizing little things--such as the MT guy is going to give up his chest for a "Point" then break a jaw in return. MANY fall but they do NOT consider; styles, and FIGHTERS.

[DeadAtBirth]

Kyokushin most certainly does use knees. The no punching in the face thing is a competition rule. During actual training, punches to the face are taught. Just like in BJJ, there are things you practice for actual self-defense in a “real world situation” that you cannot use or implement in competition.

I train in Kyokushin (have done so since I have 10), and if any one in the Lawrence, Massachusetts area wants to checkout the training for themselves, then come to the following school:

United Kyokushin
Kyokushin Karate & Kenkakaikan Jitsu
199 Essex Street
Lawrence, MA 01841 USA
978-975-7701
Marco A. Ayala
sempaimarco@unitedkyokushin.com

As far as Muay Thai being a better style than Kyokushin or any other stand-up art is concerned, that's bullshit. Styles don't make fighters. Fighters make the style. There are guys at my school who would fuck anyone up regardless of what their martial arts backgrounds were. Also, there are guys at my gym who would be pawned by fighters from other disciplines. There is no martial art out there that would automatically assure victory. It all boils down to how much time & effort one puts into his or her training that will make him or her successful.

[SmoKoY]

Originally Posted by Croatia_K1

KYoukushi karate is gay along with any other traditional martial art.


GSP doesnt use karate, he uses wrestling

MAchida does use it and is getting decision wins because of his natrually fast reflexes so hes pretty elusive.. he doesnt knock people out

Semmy isnt technically all he is cracked up to be. IF he was a normal sized HW.. like 6'2 or something, he would be FUCK ALL

again, it doesn't get any traditional than MT. look at all the rituals they do before fights. sick and tired of people dissing TMA while MT ACTUALLY is considered a TMA also

[willyg318]

muay thai ftw

[TheJoker]

Originally Posted by SmoKoY

again, it doesn't get any traditional than MT. look at all the rituals they do before fights. sick and tired of people dissing TMA while MT ACTUALLY is considered a TMA also

EVERY part of the world has it's own form of fighting. EVERY part of the world. All with history, tradition, successes, and failures. Truth is, they all all have good and "needs refinement" areas. Simply because some things are not effective, lol. Anyway, just a little point--about origins of fighting styles.

[Apocalypse604]

This is all here nor there net blabber....it' s not so much the style as it is the fighter. Ive seen normal joe blows ko guys who have been studying martial arts since grade school, does that mean bar fighting>karate/mt.....no!, but don't base it solely on the style.

[Eisenkarl]

Originally Posted by Brandon_Vera

Best of Kyokushin takes on best of MT. Ryu Narushima vs Anuwat... Lechi vs Kaoklai.. any perspective.. I love watching MT and I also love kyokushin. I am a kyokushin but I love both.. What can you say???

Hey Bro, they had this very Event in K-1 I think around 2004!
I'm gonna post the pic of the lineup later, it was like
Glaube Feitosa, Francisco Filho, Semmy Schilt and all those guys
vs. Remy Bonjasky, etc.

If I remember correctly, Kyokushin kicked MT's ass that night!

[bebop22k]

I'm all for the clinch baby

[Eisenkarl]

Originally Posted by Croatia_K1

KYoukushi karate is gay along with any other traditional martial art.


GSP doesnt use karate, he uses wrestling

MAchida does use it and is getting decision wins because of his natrually fast reflexes so hes pretty elusive.. he doesnt knock people out

Semmy isnt technically all he is cracked up to be. IF he was a normal sized HW.. like 6'2 or something, he would be FUCK ALL

And why don't YOU shut the fuck up and die??
Have you ever done any martial arts in your life??? Or any sports?? Period?

Anyway, Kyokushin is pretty awesome and fun, MT as well...
Respect to all fighters of both disciplines, but none to fatass gay trolls like Croatia_K1

[The Murdelizer]

I havent really watched a Karate match that I was impressed with other than in the Movies!! MT seems more like an actual sport and is more fluid than Karate with all of the start and stop crap and back to your line!! I understand MT has breaks as well but it isnt after every point!! I am sure their are a lot of styles I haven't seen but the ones I have I haven't been impacted by!! Some of the aerials and stuff are cool but not practical!! Not to say Karate practitioners dont know how to strike but it just doesnt seem suited for the average spectator!!! The art I really do not enjoy is sanshou that is extremey boring!!! But all of this said every art has movement and tequniques that an MMA fighter can benefit from!! I train wrestling/MT/JJ, and as a child and teen trained Choi Le Fut Kung fu and I learned many tecniques that have help my MT and american boxing skils!!! So to say any art is better isnt a very educated statement! Of course like I stated earlier their are arts better suited for the spectator but unless you have trained in all of them a statement like the TS made just doesn't make much sense!!