[Frank Butcher]

Iam glad that guy got the better of the asian as the white dude seemed like he really didn't want to fight.

Fucking moblie phones.

[RJ Powell]

that rupert f*gtard apparently has an amateur MT record.

just so u know.

[12shyloc26]

Originally Posted by shueber

Muay Thai by knees and elbows. I honestly think Muay Thai is the most devastating striking art out there. Just my opinion though. There are other good ones out there.

opinion but almost a fact haha

[shinkyoku]

Kyokushin loses a bit since they are not allowed to:
1. clich or grab (some offshot styles still allow it, much as it was allowed in the old days in kyokushin
2. use fist/elbow strikes to the head. kyokushin do allow elbows below the neck, but that robs them of much of their effectiveness, and you dont really see them all that often.

Muay thai suffers slightly from:
1. the use of boxing gloves and adaption in style to the wearing of them (you cant "wall up" behind the gloves in bare knuckle, you cant "punch block" by meeting a punch halfway with your golve, the mechanics of the punch changes slightly. body punches becomes much less effective)
2. the lack of sweeps and several types of throw. While judo throws are not seen often in kyokushin competitions, any more than in muay thai competitions, they are frequently taught. And there are kyokushin offshot that allows them in competitions. Karate type foot-sweeping is banned in most thai boxing rules (I have never understood why, since it is perfectly allowed to kick some ones legs away from under him by power lowkicks).
Muaythai does allow some throw, but not "judo style" throws lift/throw over your hip).
Also kyokushin allows followup techniques to a opponent that has been thrown or sweapt, even if it has become almost a formalized movement (usually only indicated by a stance) in competition nowdays.


As for Kicks, both arts are pretty similar. Knees are used a bit more in muaythai since they are useful in clinch In kyokushin knees to the body are usually done straight, and very seldom circular, although you see both done to the head. Kyokushin has a bit greater kick arsenal to chose from -although you will find all the kicks in both arts if you look beyond the most frequently used sport kicks (yes muay thai do have sidekicks, snapping front kicks and spinning kicks -although they are not commonly seen outside oldschool gyms in thailand).
Lowkicks is basically identical, although kyokushin has a few extra lowkick variations not commonly seen in thaiboxing. The snapping lowkick with the instep, used as a jab is one (see Ingashow vs Filho from the k-1 WGP final 2001 as a good example of its use)

Under kickboxing rules thaiboxers has a advantage since they are used to gloves and punching to the face (well, some kyokushin guys do sparring/competitions with face punches, but most save it for formal training). The adaption needed to change from knockdown karate to kickboxing takes a bit longer.

serious practitioners of either has great respect for the other. Many kyokushin/knockdown stars go to thaiboxing or kickboxing when they go pro-fighter, since knockdown competitions by tradition is amateur only. There simply is no pro knockdown karate circuit.

[katodog]

Originally Posted by shueber

Muay Thai by knees and elbows. I honestly think Muay Thai is the most devastating striking art out there. Just my opinion though. There are other good ones out there.

agreed

[SGTBlitz]

They both have their advantages + disadvantages, as the hands are kept a lot lower than muay thai fighters we are more open to face shots, on the other hand, the way kyokushin strike are less easy to spot and generally a lot less telegraphed, for instance the high mawashi geri (roundhouse) doesnt have much arm movement before the kick is inititated. From the matches that I have seen!, kyokushin tends to win more often ie. Kyokushin VS K-1 it was 10-0, the 1964 fights, the kids fight on youtube (Search kyokushin muay thai, it should be there) glaube feitosa and as many have said GSP although their forms of kyokushin have been modified to account for the headshots. Also, from going to my brothers muay thai gym somewhat regularly and training at my kyokushin gym, a lot more emphasis is put on form and stance in my kyokushin dojo, which really does help (although can feel at times laborious) especially later on. but overall,, it depends on the figher

[Abbath]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Friedman

GSP does use karate, you don't know what your looking at.

Machida could knock you into a coma, remember little buddy, he's fighting other professional fighters.

There are many traditional martial artists, to whom you would not speak the words you typed above, because you would be afraid.

This post cracks me up.

[avispon_verde]

Originally Posted by canadian mongoo

GSP,Semmy and Lyoto Machida are thre kyokushin fighters off the top of my head

Excuse me, but Machida does not do Kyokushin, he does Shotokan.

[avispon_verde]

Originally Posted by canadian mongoo

GSP,Semmy and Lyoto Machida are thre kyokushin fighters off the top of my head

Excuse me, but Machida does not do Kyokushin, he does Shotokan.

[shinkyoku]

Originally Posted by avispon_verde

Excuse me, but Machida does not do Kyokushin, he does Shotokan.

And Semmy use Ashihara (although he is affiliated to seidokaikan now), not kyokushin. OK, Ashihara and seidokaikan are both kyokushin offshots, but there ARE differences (although they are so closely related that the differences are very minor).