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I guess in 2003 or 2004, happened a Kyokushin vs K1 challenge.
3 bouts under KK rules, 3 bouts under K1 rules and 1 super fight in k1 rules. (Francisco Filho x Remy bonjasky)
Kyokushin guys won ALL the matches. Although the superfight i thought the decision should have gone to Remy instead of Filho.
Why does no one ever bring up the fact that this whole tournament was bullshit and meant to make Kyokushin look good? No one can objectively say K-1 threw any of their talent in this thing except Bonjasky (which was the only legit fight). Common, Feitosa vs. Alastair Overeem? What does that prove? Overeem's not a K-1 level striker, period. Seth Petruzelli (from TUF fame) and Maverick also headline. These guys are D level talent in K-1.
Kyokushin has proved it's worth already in K-1 and against Muay Thai but if anyone thinks this tournament proves anything they just don't understand.
It would have been interesting if K-1 had actually thrown their top guys that tournament. The results would not have been so decisive either.
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Why does no one ever bring up the fact that this whole tournament was bullshit and meant to make Kyokushin look good? No one can objectively say K-1 threw any of their talent in this thing except Bonjasky (which was the only legit fight). Common, Feitosa vs. Alastair Overeem? What does that prove? Overeem's not a K-1 level striker, period. Seth Petruzelli (from TUF fame) and Maverick also headline. These guys are D level talent in K-1.
Kyokushin has proved it's worth already in K-1 and against Muay Thai but if anyone thinks this tournament proves anything they just don't understand.
It would have been interesting if K-1 had actually thrown their top guys that tournament. The results would not have been so decisive either.
Tell the organizer of the events... Even the best in K-1 would have big problem because it's under KK rules.. Just like I said they are good at their own rules.
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Kyokushin is not a bad base at all. This is called DaidoJuku, it was founded by an ex-Kyokushin guy who felt like punching people in the face and armbarring them:
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Why does no one ever bring up the fact that this whole tournament was bullshit and meant to make Kyokushin look good? No one can objectively say K-1 threw any of their talent in this thing except Bonjasky (which was the only legit fight). Common, Feitosa vs. Alastair Overeem? What does that prove? Overeem's not a K-1 level striker, period. Seth Petruzelli (from TUF fame) and Maverick also headline. These guys are D level talent in K-1.
Kyokushin has proved it's worth already in K-1 and against Muay Thai but if anyone thinks this tournament proves anything they just don't understand.
It would have been interesting if K-1 had actually thrown their top guys that tournament. The results would not have been so decisive either.
Agreed. Good Post. I saw that event, and the tourney has to be interpreted properly.
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MT due to the fact that they're used to getting punched/elbowed in the face. A Kyokushin fighter MAY not have as good a chin. Depending on the fighter of course.
Edit: Just realizing, a japanese guy that i am lucky enough to train with has been practicing KK for over 25 years now. He's quite frankly the nicest, most stand up guy i know! Not only that but he CAN take a decent punch to the face, so i just had to correct myself there... I still prefer Muay Thai though. To me it's the art they put into their striking tactics! I love it.
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Last edited by beantownchik : 06-02-2008 at 02:47 PM.
It would have been interesting if K-1 had actually thrown their top guys that tournament. The results would not have been so decisive either.
It wasn't a tournament, it was an event, and there was a similar event held back in 1998: K-1 Dream, where all the top K-1 guys at the time competed, karate vs kickboxing. Kickboxing guys annihilated their karate opponents with the exception of Filho, who won his match against Aerts after Aerts split his shin in the first round.
Karate guys on left, KBers on right
Feitosa vs Bernardo (Winner: Bernardo KO 1)
Greco vs Le Banner (Winner: Le Banner KO 2)
Pettas vs Leko (Winner: Leko KO 2)
Bajrami* vs Walker (Winner: DRAW)
Satake vs Skelton (Winner: Skelton KO 1)
Musashi vs Hoost (Winner: Hoost KO 4)
Filho vs Aerts (Winner: Filho doctor stoppage rd 1)
*Bajrami was last minute replacement for Andy Hug
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Last edited by I'm Spartacus : 06-25-2008 at 11:48 PM.
why do the KK guys want to have huge pissing contests w/ the Muay Thai or Kickboxing ppl so bad, especially when they don't want to have anything to do with it? Are you trying to prove something to yourselves?
Stick with kyokushin, that is your style, that is your rules, that is your tradition, stop trying to be something you are not.
If you wanna fight MT train MT, if you want to fight K-1 Kickboxing, train kickboxing. But don't shove it down our throats about it being your "base", who cares? Alot of people don't understand that these sports are highly specialized to the point where what works and what doesn't and what sort of works has already been accounted for. You bring NOTHING new to the table, don't be delusional. It is all about fighting within a certain set of rules, not styles.
quit grasping for straws and trying to recognize every fighter who has done Kyokushin in the past and glorifying him......just be proud and confident in your own art.
why do the KK guys want to have huge pissing contests w/ the Muay Thai or Kickboxing ppl so bad, especially when they don't want to have anything to do with it? Are you trying to prove something to yourselves?
Stick with kyokushin, that is your style, that is your rules, that is your tradition, stop trying to be something you are not.
If you wanna fight MT train MT, if you want to fight K-1 Kickboxing, train kickboxing. But don't shove it down our throats about it being your "base", who cares? Alot of people don't understand that these sports are highly specialized to the point where what works and what doesn't and what sort of works has already been accounted for. You bring NOTHING new to the table, don't be delusional. It is all about fighting within a certain set of rules, not styles.
quit grasping for straws and trying to recognize every fighter who has done Kyokushin in the past and glorifying him......just be proud and confident in your own art.
Chill out, buddy. You give the impression that a Kyokushin guy whooped your ass before.
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