[ryouboard]

Watch the old Muay Thai vs. Kyokushin tournament they had in K1.

[Wetschjm]

Anyone seen Fighting Black Kings? Old and dated, but it chronicles an International Karate Tournament. The Thai fighters were probably forced to wear gi's in order to compete. I'm also not sure of the rules, but interesting, nonetheless.

Here's a link I found that shows some of the Thai Boxers fighting Kyokushin Guys.

YouTube - Kyokushin vs Muay Thai 1962

[JinKazama]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Friedman

GSP does use karate, you don't know what your looking at.

Machida could knock you into a coma, remember little buddy, he's fighting other professional fighters.

There are many traditional martial artists, to whom you would not speak the words you typed above, because you would be afraid.

ownage .

[RJ Powell]

I think Muay Thai and Kyokushin have alot more similarities than differences. Lets not forget that Mas Oyama was at some point influenced by thai fighters in the development of his art.

The power roundhouses are very similar to thai, they still use the quicker Karate roundhouse, but they use shin kicks also. The knees were slightly modified from muay thai to suit his needs.

They both have a high emphasis on bad-ass-ness, so i don't know what the fuck we are arguing about here.........

They are both strong arts, almost the same thing, just in different rulesets.

For those who train, the Punches in muay thai & kyokushin are more similar to eachother than Muay thai and boxing. The people that have actually trained in both arts will know what i mean.

[Sudoraba]

Originally Posted by Hinch

Don't worry, anyone who trained Kyokushin karate is a kickboxer, but anyone who used to train Muay Thai but now trains kickboxing is still Muay Thai. That is the logic of Valentin.

Unless it's Mark Hunt.

indeed it's quite funny considering that this guy is TRYING to be an elitist by saying that any proficient fighter in K-1 is a muay thai stylist.

The irony though is that the REAL Muay Thai elitists, will go the opposite route and criticize anyone that is not ethnically thai but is labeled as a "muay thai fighter" as being a "kickboxer" and write them off if they have never fought with full rules or wear armbands etc.

[franz_grinder]

Shotokan has made Machida a master at barely being hit as well as contsantly being able to "out-point" his opponent. He simply took the point stops out of the equations. His style is so karate it's crazy. I'm a Kyokushin-kai of 8 years or so and their are point fighters that would whoop me with their elusiveness. We tend to fight like bulls.

GSP's mma stance is the byproduct of karate training. You can see that. It's not wrestling stance mixed with a striking stance. It's simply a low kyokushin stance. I've fought guys that struck almost identical to him.

We use leg kicks. We use knees. We train elbows (no competition). If only some of you could train with some legit badass karate-kai's you'd see how effective the art is. In most Kyokushin organization comps the, hand and elbow strikes to the head or neck are prohibited - we still train and spar with headgear - at least we did. Kicks to the head, knee strikes to the body and head, punches to the upper body, and kicks to the inner and outer legs are allowed.

Muay thai's is more complete but kyokushin brings another game. You see it in Hug and Filho. That Brazil-kick is a Rio Kyokushin-kai staple. My knees are blown from the bad stretches we did to gain that type of dexerity. Like a BJJ rubber guard player. Plus our hands our damn near unbreakable - punching wooden dummies and twine wrapped around a board. We could snap punches at a dudes face all day.

[Valentin]

Originally Posted by Hinch

Don't worry, anyone who trained Kyokushin karate is a kickboxer, but anyone who used to train Muay Thai but now trains kickboxing is still Muay Thai. That is the logic of Valentin.

Unless it's Mark Hunt.

Ok, as you wish let Andy Hug be Kyokushin. Big diffrence.

Semmy Schilt is still kickboxer. Why is he karate fighter? Maybe he practices kata for hours or smth? Maybe he uses karate stances? Maybe he blocks punches in karate style? Oh maybe he does kumite without gloves and punching to the head? WTF are you talking about? His technique is a typical kickboxing style. He can say whatever he wants but it doesn't change the fact that he fights like a pure kickboxer. And use standart MT knee strikes. I have watched lots of kyokushin videos and I can say now karate knee strikes are performed in diffrent manner. An they do them quite rarely. Schilt does them very often like thai boxer.

Even if Semmy is a karate fighter (but he is NOT) the situation is still the same. 4 champions - karate, 12 champions - Muay thai. So MT is more effective.

And 3 times "karate fighter'' Semmy won only because of his unusual height. All muay thai K-1 champions have standart proportions for their weight. More questions?

Look, folks, I don't want to say that karate is bad or smth. I respect karate like any other martial art. But it has lots of unpractical stuff that is useless in real fight.

[Brandon_Vera]

Originally Posted by Valentin

Look, folks, I don't want to say that karate is bad or smth. I respect karate like any other martial art. But it has lots of unpractical stuff that is useless in real fight.

Unpractical?? All martial arts are effective, even TKD. You know why martial artist train and have good condition than normal people. Shut the fuck up. Just watch this. YouTube - Semmy Schilt vs. Monthana Silva
OK WATCH THIS CLOSELY !! OK

[Brazilian HKD]

Originally Posted by Valentin

Ok, as you wish let Andy Hug be Kyokushin. Big diffrence. .

Semmy Schilt is still kickboxer. Why is he karate fighter? Maybe he practices kata for hours or smth?

So by your logic hoost and aerts can't represent muay thai because they don't train ram muay before every fight...

His technique is a typical kickboxing style. He can say whatever he wants but it doesn't change the fact that he fights like a pure kickboxer. And use standart MT knee strikes.

wow, you know more about semmy than the man himself! You must tell him how many years he is going to live and who is his real father! impressive!

I have watched lots of kyokushin videos and I can say now karate knee strikes are performed in diffrent manner.

wait wait wait...videos??

ok answer me, did you ever trained mt and kyokushin? saw a live kyokushin tournament?

please answer me

Even if Semmy is a karate fighter (but he is NOT) the situation is still the same. 4 champions - karate, 12 champions - Muay thai. So MT is more effective.

how many mt guys enter k-1 against how many kyokushin guys?

And 3 times "karate fighter'' Semmy won only because of his unusual height. All muay thai K-1 champions have standart proportions for their weight. More questions?

yeah, that's why sapp and choi are the champions too. Oh, wait.

BTW hoost and aerts aren't exactly dwarves either

Look, folks, I don't want to say that karate is bad or smth. I respect karate like any other martial art. But it has lots of unpractical stuff that is useless in real fight

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