[scat_mann]

Originally Posted by D-Train

But certainly you know that GSP has trained extensively with the Canadian national wrestling team. Their coach even said he could likely qualify for the Olympics. He has some of the best functional wrestling for MMA in the WW division right now. I'd say he's even surpassed Matt Hughes as far as wrestling for MMA.
Yeah GSP uses some karate techniques, but he relies far more heavily on what would be considered traditional MMA disciplines (MT, BJJ, wrestling, boxing). His standup is probably the one aspect of game that is weaker than the rest and that's the part that's most heavily influened by karate. I'm not necessarily saying there's a connection, but it's true.

I'm not saying his wrestling game isn't amazing or that his best credential is his wrestling, but his base wasn't wrestling.

[DrSatanDracula]

Croatia_K1:

KYoukushi karate is gay along with any other traditional martial art.

Muay Thai is TMA. It has a hundreds of years of practice in Thailand.

Kyokushin is actually too modern to be considered TMA. It was developed in the 20th century by Korean-Japanese Mas Oyama.

[Ken's Sideburns]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Friedman

GSP does use karate, you don't know what your looking at.

Machida could knock you into a coma, remember little buddy, he's fighting other professional fighters.

There are many traditional martial artists, to whom you would not speak the words you typed above, because you would be afraid.

i honestly believe a local mma fighter or even a local bjj practitioner who's at least a brown belt or purple belt can beat a karate, kung fu, kyo kushin, TKD, or any traditional stand up martial artist easily. even if the traditional martial artists have been training for years. i train mma and bjj for about a year and i think that if i fought those traditional practitioners in an mma fight AND if they're not well rounded and are one dimentional, i would easily beat them.

[Jumpingknees]

Originally Posted by D-Train

But certainly you know that GSP has trained extensively with the Canadian national wrestling team. Their coach even said he could likely qualify for the Olympics. He has some of the best functional wrestling for MMA in the WW division right now. I'd say he's even surpassed Matt Hughes as far as wrestling for MMA.
Yeah GSP uses some karate techniques, but he relies far more heavily on what would be considered traditional MMA disciplines (MT, BJJ, wrestling, boxing). His standup is probably the one aspect of game that is weaker than the rest and that's the part that's most heavily influened by karate. I'm not necessarily saying there's a connection, but it's true.

So true man....I have been waiting for someone to say that. GSP's stand-up is NOT as good as everyone think's it is. That jumpy karate stance he sometimes uses often gets him into trouble.

Muay thai is the best standing art........sorry, but it's true. I trained karate at a Mc Dogo, then trained Kung Fu from a bona fide master. I then found Muay thai and promptly unlearned all the bullshit I was previously taught. I truly think certain Tae Kwon Do techniques can be effective but by and large Muay thai is a much more complete, non-biased, and effective game.

[hungrybear]

Originally Posted by kyokushin723

croatia_k1 is dumb.....
kyokushin is almost similar to muay thai....it's like muay thai in a gi without knees and elbows or thai clinch...

So its nothing like Muay Thai. Read what you wrote and tell me who is dumb.

"Wrestling is like boxing except there is takedowns and you can't punch........."

[Flboycanscrap2]

in traditional kyoukushin competition u cant strike to the head with your hands so imagine what he would experience when he has to worry about being KO'd with the other persons hands.

[DennisRuan123]

i say muay thai just because ong bak made it cool XD

[OZ!]

Originally Posted by Brandon_Vera

Best of Kyokushin takes on best of MT. Ryu Narushima vs Anuwat... Lechi vs Kaoklai.. any perspective.. I love watching MT and I also love kyokushin. I am a kyokushin but I love both.. What can you say???

This is one of those, "Any given day..." type of things. Anuwat could fly in and dominate with knees and elbows or guys like Narushima(kinda young still isn't he?) might just keep dropping him on his butt and countering swiftley until Anuwat drops his hands and eats a nasty. Either way, these would be awesome fights and wouldn't really say much about the styles, just the fighters(by the way, I would put money on a good Kyokushin fighter versus a MT fighter bare knuckle with TDs just because of the counters. But if caught in a blitz, the fight could definitely change fast).

[OZ!]

Originally Posted by Flboycanscrap2

in traditional kyoukushin competition u cant strike to the head with your hands so imagine what he would experience when he has to worry about being KO'd with the other persons hands.

And MT guys don't go brae knuckle and don't work strikes after takedowns... I don't know, depends on the fighter.

[IRENICUS]

I've done KK for about two years. I was pretty advanced and under KK rules I would've beat most of the guys that did 2 years in any other form of karate. However, I don't know if you are aware that in KK we don't use gloves and we don't punch to the head.
I tried fighting with the same person under KK rules and under their rules(which allowed punches to the head). I was getting beat in their rules, not because of the clinch, which didn't bother me that much(btw, we use knees too). Because of the punches to the head. Your body is strong, your legs are used to being low kicked.
I wasn't used to punching their heads, wasn't used to wearing gloves(they take away some of your speed especially the big boxing gloves). Also I wasn't defending well to their punching to the head and I was eating lots of them. I guess if you train a lot with punches to the head you could adjust after a while.
Remember Filho from K1 did KK and his body and legs were not affected by hits, but he had trouble being punched in the face(Hunt, Lebanner).

So take it from a KK practitioner:a MTT guy will beat a KK guy in rules that allow punching to the head. No doubt about it. A boxing guy with decent resistance to low kicks will beat a KK guy as well.