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Old 04-17-2008, 04:13 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Even the guy who says mid-kicks to the arms are scoring shots admits they are one of the lowest scoring shots, so Buakaw would have to land something like 3 or 4 of them for every clean shot to the head.
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But Buakaw wasn't just using mid kicks the entire time. You make it sound like all he did was mid kick the whole time when that was not the case

And to the poster who posted how scoring works...you are a champ. Now hopefully there should be no more confusion.
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Old 04-17-2008, 04:16 AM   #42 (permalink)
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You can lose even if you're the one to move forward if you take more shots than you give.
Ah, sorry I just got it.
I misunderstood what you meant by "advance".
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Old 04-17-2008, 04:22 AM   #43 (permalink)
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But Buakaw wasn't just using mid kicks the entire time. You make it sound like all he did was mid kick the whole time when that was not the case

And to the poster who posted how scoring works...you are a champ. Now hopefully there should be no more confusion.
No, its just that the argument started to focus on Buakaws middle kicks because some called them scoring, others non-scoring and it would make a huge difference in the outcome if they were scored or not and even how much weighting they were given.

I'd have to watch the first 3 rounds again to make a good call (like I said) so I'm staying out of it, but I definitely thought Kraus won the extra. I wonder if Kraus would have been so upset if he lost after the first 3?

Here's whats listed on the K-1 site. Doesn't say anything about kicks to the arms specifically, if they caused "visible damage" they would be scoring shots and if they were considered "clean/accurate" shots then they would also be scoring shot.

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Article 11 – JUDGING CRITERIA
Awarding of points shall be based on the following elements:

1. Whether an effective and accurate attack is acknowledged, and damage is inflicted on the opponent by authorized blows.
2. Points will be awarded in this priority:
1. Number of downs
2. Extent of damage inflicted on the opponent
3. Number of clean hits
4. Degree of aggressiveness (points in the offensive)
Page 6 of 15 The dominant fighter shall be awarded a score of ten (10), and points shall be deducted from his opponent.
The example of scoring the points will be the followings.
* When the difference is clear, the inferior fighter receives a one(1) point reduction.
* When a fighter is downed once, the downed fighter receives a two(2) point reduction. However, if the down is considered as FLASH DOWN, the reduction may be one(1) point.
* When a fighter is downed twice, the downed fighter receives a three(3) point reduction (applicable to the final match in tournament fights, and one match fights).
* A fighter shall be penalized with a one(1) point reduction for actions such as foul techniques when the referee declares such a penalty.
* A fighter shall be penalized with a two(2) point reduction for actions such as foul techniques when the referee declares such penalty.
In the final round, even with a minimal point difference, the difference will be counted as one(1) point, and winner must be decided.


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I just had another look on the link posted and they say that kicks to the arms are NOT clean hits, don't cause "damage" and would only count toward aggressiveness.

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Finally, in the absence of a clear winner based on hits, judges will resort to picking a winner based on aggressiveness. They have clearly stated that this doesn’t mean that moving backward is the deciding factor. Instead, they will judge based on which fighter is forcing the opponent to defend more. For instance, if Red and Blue each score zero (0) hits, the third priority would be even. However, if Blue spent the round blocking and Red spent the round kicking his arms and punching his gloves, the judges would rule Red the winner.

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No, its just that the argument started to focus on Buakaws middle kicks because some called them scoring, others non-scoring and it would make a huge difference in the outcome if they were scored or not and even how much weighting they were given.
Ah ok fair enough. Ya true about the focus on his mid kicks. I reckon just some of the camera angles that were used also make some connected technique look like they were blocked and vice versa.

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I'd have to watch the first 3 rounds again to make a good call (like I said) so I'm staying out of it, but I definitely thought Kraus won the extra. I wonder if Kraus would have been so upset if he lost after the first 3?
Probably not, but i guess we would never know given the weird decisions made that night.
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as already discussed in other threads, we already know Buakaw was screwed in the first 3 rounds of the fight.

But why? Are K-1 as a organization that corrupt?
K-1 as an organisation is the most corrupt organisation in all of combat sports. That includes boxing.

It's so corrupt that people have actually come to accept it.
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