IF Schilt wins the K-1 GP, does he become the best K-1 fighter...

[Oebla]

Originally Posted by Pirao

of all time? That would be 4 K-1 championships, with 3 of them being won in a row. Only Hoost could rival him in number of championships, but he never managed to win them consecutively. Whatever you think about his style, I think if Schilt were to win the K-1 GP this year he would have to rank as one of the best fighters in K-1 ever, if not the best.

Schilt isn't technical at all. He has a great corner and reach. No heart at all. Schilt won a lot of his fights because of his size.

HMC gave him trouble and stole a decision (218cm)
Ignashov KOed him ( 196cm)
Hari KOed him (197cm)

[Jaymo_ie]

Originally Posted by Melilot

Hoost has won about 80 matches against top competition, schilt about 20. no comparison, also hoost had to deal with aerts, lebanner, crocop, hunt, sefo and hug in their prime. Schilt came at a time when the old generation was dwindling and the new ones had yet to make their name.

GREAT POST!!! This pretty much kills the argument IMO.

[luciababushka]

Originally Posted by Pirao

Power and chin are natural atributes, that can be enhanced through training to take advantage of them, just like size, if you're arguing that chin and power are not natural characteristics of fighters you're stupid.

Wording is very key here. I used rudimentary because it implies undeveloped. Its natural and raw and cannot be changed. Specifically height and also bone structure or body build (large chest and wide shoulders and long reach).

Power, chin, stamina, endurance, heart, patience, and skill set are all very very malleable and able to be changed quickly in the face of adversity.

[Pirao]

Originally Posted by Oebla

Schilt isn't technical at all. He has a great corner and reach. No heart at all. Schilt won a lot of his fights because of his size.

HMC gave him trouble and stole a decision (218cm)
Ignashov KOed him ( 196cm)
Hari KOed him (197cm)

And Hoost was finished twice by Bob Sapp, I guess he sucks. Badr Hari was KOed by an MMA fighter in 1 rd, he sucks too. In fact all of K-1 sucks Your arguments are terirble, every fighter has loses, and it's not like Schilt has been losing to cans.

Originally Posted by Jaymo_ie

GREAT POST!!! This pretty much kills the argument IMO.

Considering I have already asked him to name said 80 matches against top competition, and to adress the fact that Hoost got his ass handed to him by Sapp twice, and that poster has avoided both questions like the plague, I'm afraid it doesn't kill anything.

Originally Posted by luciababushka

Wording is very key here. I used rudimentary because it implies undeveloped. Its natural and raw and cannot be changed. Specifically height and also bone structure or body build (large chest and wide shoulders and long reach).

Power, chin, stamina, endurance, heart, patience, and skill set are all very very malleable and able to be changed quickly in the face of adversity.

I see, please explain how a fighter trains chin for example, I'm sure Hunt worked a great deal to get his chin.

[uptheirons!]

Originally Posted by luciababushka

Wording is very key here. I used rudimentary because it implies undeveloped. Its natural and raw and cannot be changed. Specifically height and also bone structure or body build (large chest and wide shoulders and long reach).

Power, chin, stamina, endurance, heart, patience, and skill set are all very very malleable and able to be changed quickly in the face of adversity.

You obviously haven't been around the fight game for very long. If chin and power could be taught then everyone could practice to have power like JLB and a chin like Hunt. It's too bad you weren't around 15 years ago to teach Jerome to have a better chin, he could have won the most gp's of all the people that have been discussed.

[corrupted]

The facts don't lie... he won 3 in a row ... that in itself makes him a great..

[Croatia_K1]

Originally Posted by Pirao

Oh and for the people who say he wins because he's big... so what if he is? Other fighters win because they have huge power, or great reflexes, or great chin... all those things are physical atributes, as is size. You use what you have in the best way possible to win, isn't that what every fighter does?

Great post

[BenitoJayJay]

Man this is extremely interesting not the only one with 4 wins. But the only one with 3 in a row out of those 2 (yet still one the great ernesto hoost).

WTF. start a thread when he has 5

[The_Chosen_One]

He is definitely one of the best.

[brashleyholland]

Originally Posted by BenitoJayJay

WTF. start a thread when he has 5

Yeah, because you're nothing special until you have *FIVE* K-1 GP's under your belt right...