IF Schilt wins the K-1 GP, does he become the best K-1 fighter...

[Pirao]

of all time? That would be 4 K-1 championships, with 3 of them being won in a row. Only Hoost could rival him in number of championships, but he never managed to win them consecutively. Whatever you think about his style, I think if Schilt were to win the K-1 GP this year he would have to rank as one of the best fighters in K-1 ever, if not the best.

[KJI]

in mma i always found his fights boring, and watching k-1 as of late, he's still boring, the only time i can get excited in a fight with him is when he seems to be on the ropes or losing.

having said that, in conjunction with my fledgling k-1 knowledge, i owuld htink 3 in a row puts him up there already, and 4 out of 5 would be even higher, right?

or is it all just because he has a modest amount of talent coupled with the fact that he is so tall?

i'd like to think it's the latter, but the former makes more sense.

[Melilot]

Hoost has won about 80 matches against top competition, schilt about 20. no comparison, also hoost had to deal with aerts, lebanner, crocop, hunt, sefo and hug in their prime. Schilt came at a time when the old generation was dwindling and the new ones had yet to make their name.

[McPunchy]

I think Semmy is one of the greats.

I also think it's a massive slight to put his achievements down to his height. You'll find that the bigger an athlete gets, it's usually at the expense of balance and coordination. Semmy uses what he's got very efficiently and he's a true warrior of the sport.

[MMA-Genius]

Originally Posted by Melilot

Hoost has won about 80 matches against top competition, schilt about 20. no comparison, also hoost had to deal with aerts, lebanner, crocop, hunt, sefo and hug in their prime. Schilt came at a time when the old generation was dwindling and the new ones had yet to make their name.

Great post. Hoost is the man. Schilt is elite but not the best ever.

[Sudoraba]

He already is one of the best regardless of whether or not he wins this coming GP. He is a three time champ and the only one of those to do so for three consecutive years. And that puts him in a rare class that includes Hoost, Aerts, and now Bonjasky. Schilt is already one of the most accomplished fighters in the sport.

He's had the toughest GP roads talent wise compared to all of the megachampions. Bonjasky's final match wins for example are pretty unimpressive and include Musashi twice and a DQ "win" over Hari. Hoost won in 2002 after losing his first match by seemingly having the stars align in a way that caused all his opponents lose by freakish accidental injury. And even Aert's first GP win was over guys like Patrick Smith, Sataake, and such. Compare this to Schilt's GP wins which were over stacked talent no matter what. His best GP win was over Lebanner, Aerts, and Hoost in one night and his weakest win was over Sefo, Bonjasky, and Feitosa. That's right Sefo/Bonjasky/Feitosa are considered his weakest road. And he's won in dominating fashion in all of those without controversy.

Because don't think that K-1 was going to help him by tipping the judging scales in his favor. In fact the best part of Schilt's dominance was that it was like a big middle finger to K-1 brass. He won all those GPs after they changed the rules specifically to hinder him. When they saw that he was nigh unbeatable in the clinch they instilled the notorious one knee rule and yet he STILL won despite that even adapting to the point where he was one of the most conscientious observer of those rules. And not only that he's won GPs after K-1 has notriously tried to derail him by setting him up with difficult fights leading up the GP.

And of course in addition he's the only person to be a GP champion and the holder of the K-1 superheavyweight title. Even if no one cares about that one.

A champion is often defined as someone who is victorious in the face of relentless adversity. And Schilt has battled against not only some of the toughest roads on his way to the crown but also rule changes designed to hinder him, matchmaking designed to get him injured, and unfavorable judging. Considering that Schilt has managed stay champion against some of the best warriors AND the entire organization trying to derail him I would say that few can say they've earned the title like he did.

[Pirao]

Originally Posted by Melilot

Hoost has won about 80 matches against top competition, schilt about 20. no comparison, also hoost had to deal with aerts, lebanner, crocop, hunt, sefo and hug in their prime. Schilt came at a time when the old generation was dwindling and the new ones had yet to make their name.

Could you name this 80 matches against top competition? I guess you use the term "top" loosely. He has also lost to Bob Sapp twice... And I'm not slating Hoost's achievements, but don't you slate what Schilt has done.

Oh and for the people who say he wins because he's big... so what if he is? Other fighters win because they have huge power, or great reflexes, or great chin... all those things are physical atributes, as is size. You use what you have in the best way possible to win, isn't that what every fighter does?

Originally Posted by Sudoraba

He already is one of the best regardless of whether or not he wins this coming GP. He is a three time champ and the only one of those to do so for three consecutive years. And that puts him in a rare class that includes Hoost, Aerts, and now Bonjasky. Schilt is already one of the most accomplished fighters in the sport.

He's had the toughest GP roads talent wise compared to all of the megachampions. Bonjasky's final match wins for example are pretty unimpressive and include Musashi twice and a DQ "win" over Hari. Hoost won in 2002 after losing his first match by seemingly having the stars align in a way that caused all his opponents lose by freakish accidental injury. And even Aert's first GP win was over guys like Patrick Smith, Sataake, and such. Compare this to Schilt's GP wins which were over stacked talent no matter what. His best GP win was over Lebanner, Aerts, and Hoost in one night and his weakest win was over Sefo, Bonjasky, and Feitosa. That's right Sefo/Bonjasky/Feitosa are considered his weakest road. And he's won in dominating fashion in all of those without controversy.

Because don't think that K-1 was going to help him by tipping the judging scales in his favor. In fact the best part of Schilt's dominance was that it was like a big middle finger to K-1 brass. He won all those GPs after they changed the rules specifically to hinder him. When they saw that he was nigh unbeatable in the clinch they instilled the notorious one knee rule and yet he STILL won despite that even adapting to the point where he was one of the most conscientious observer of those rules. And not only that he's won GPs after K-1 has notriously tried to derail him by setting him up with difficult fights leading up the GP.

And of course in addition he's the only person to be a GP champion and the holder of the K-1 superheavyweight title. Even if no one cares about that one.

A champion is often defined as someone who is victorious in the face of relentless adversity. And Schilt has battled against not only some of the toughest roads on his way to the crown but also rule changes designed to hinder him, matchmaking designed to get him injured, and unfavorable judging. Considering that Schilt has managed stay champion against some of the best warriors AND the entire organization trying to derail him I would say that few can say they've earned the title like he did.

Great post! I know Schilt is one of the best ever (saying anything else is ludicrous), I'm just asking if he won another GP, would he be THE UNDISPUTED best ever?

[Yeast]

He is definitely up there on the Branko/Hoost/Aerts level if he wins another, for sure.

[McPunchy]

Originally Posted by Sudoraba

He already is one of the best regardless of whether or not he wins this coming GP. He is a three time champ and the only one of those to do so for three consecutive years. And that puts him in a rare class that includes Hoost, Aerts, and now Bonjasky. Schilt is already one of the most accomplished fighters in the sport.

He's had the toughest GP roads talent wise compared to all of the megachampions. Bonjasky's final match wins for example are pretty unimpressive and include Musashi twice and a DQ "win" over Hari. Hoost won in 2002 after losing his first match by seemingly having the stars align in a way that caused all his opponents lose by freakish accidental injury. And even Aert's first GP win was over guys like Patrick Smith, Sataake, and such. Compare this to Schilt's GP wins which were over stacked talent no matter what. His best GP win was over Lebanner, Aerts, and Hoost in one night and his weakest win was over Sefo, Bonjasky, and Feitosa. That's right Sefo/Bonjasky/Feitosa are considered his weakest road. And he's won in dominating fashion in all of those without controversy.

Because don't think that K-1 was going to help him by tipping the judging scales in his favor. In fact the best part of Schilt's dominance was that it was like a big middle finger to K-1 brass. He won all those GPs after they changed the rules specifically to hinder him. When they saw that he was nigh unbeatable in the clinch they instilled the notorious one knee rule and yet he STILL won despite that even adapting to the point where he was one of the most conscientious observer of those rules. And not only that he's won GPs after K-1 has notriously tried to derail him by setting him up with difficult fights leading up the GP.

And of course in addition he's the only person to be a GP champion and the holder of the K-1 superheavyweight title. Even if no one cares about that one.

A champion is often defined as someone who is victorious in the face of relentless adversity. And Schilt has battled against not only some of the toughest roads on his way to the crown but also rule changes designed to hinder him, matchmaking designed to get him injured, and unfavorable judging. Considering that Schilt has managed stay champion against some of the best warriors AND the entire organization trying to derail him I would say that few can say they've earned the title like he did.

Great post, man.

[silent assasin]

Boring