Carnage vs Spong SPOILER

[Kaminoko]

DQ was the right thing to do. It was a great fight and I agree with Lord Gaul.

[richznuttz]

Originally Posted by Ham_Roll

That American ref was terriable he also gave a count in the Slowinski fight for a obvious sweep.

I know what Lord Gaul is trying to say that the ref could of picked up on the first down but that is up to the refs judgement if a fighter is fit to continue and what is a down or slip.
With Carnage and the knee, the ref decieded it was fine to continue (so Spong was never in no way robbed in this fight). How many times do you see slips that were called downs and vice versa.If it was Lord gauls way many fights would be no contests.
Then when Carnage dropped Spong the ref signalled that the fight is over , that Spong cannot continue. So Carnage won the fight.
The bad ref part is that the way he signalled the end of the fight. First hit is his job to protect Spong if he feels he is too hurt to continue, so he should of stayed between the two fighters and waved in the air.
However the ref did the opposite he moved Spong into a normal fight restart postion, then took a step back so they were straight infront of each other again like a normal restart then waved his hands low again like a normal restart.
So Carnage is being robbed of his greatest victory by a ref mistake once the fight was already over.

Very good point, such a strange ending.

[Jofeljoh!]

I was looking into the rules of the WMC, I wonder if this could be the rule they decided a NC:

WORLD MUAYTHAI COUNCIL OFFICIAL WEBSITE

Item 18: FOULS AND STRIKES VIOLATING THE RULES

18.6. Knocking out or injuring his opponent after the referee has ordered the match to stop for any reason.

but even then it doesn't make much sense... I wish WMC, of maybe Clifton himself can give an official statement about this matter.

[Corey Kuropas]

I think it should be considered a win for Carnage.

Spong is overrated, and IO knew Carnage would beat him elbows or no elbows.

[Jofeljoh!]

lol about Spong being overrated. Such a troll coming from a professional fighter makes me want to poke my eyes out.

[Kaminoko]

lol, Spong was winning the fight....So overated my ass

[Daido_Juku]

Any vids??

[Corey Kuropas]

Originally Posted by Jofeljoh!

lol about Spong being overrated. Such a troll coming from a professional fighter makes me want to poke my eyes out.

People talk about him like he's a god of Muay Thai/Kickboxing.

He isn't.

Just like when everyone said he'd run through K-1, and then he got beat by Saki.

And and btw you're a douchebag for calling me a troll for stating my opinion jackass.

[Jofeljoh!]

Originally Posted by Corey Kuropas

People talk about him like he's a god of Muay Thai/Kickboxing.

He isn't.

Just like when everyone said he'd run through K-1, and then he got beat by Saki.

And and btw you're a douchebag for calling me a troll for stating my opinion jackass.

Well I'd like to read those comments, because all I have heard is people saying that they doubt whether he could hang in with the heavies.

You're entitled by your opinion but it would be desirable to come with arguments and reason when you say such a thing. Otherwise it will just be considered as a troll.

He is no god of muay thai but records speak for themselves. Calling him overrated is calling a lot of other great fighters he has convincingly beaten overrated. What other reaction did you expect? If I'd call Carnage overrated like that out of nowhere you would get the same reaction. You're just giving fighters with records you can only have wet dreams about as a professional fighter no respect at all with saying such a thing.

I never expected he would run through K-1 like it's nothing, nor do I believe there are a lot of other people who actually do believe that. Going up so much in weight takes time to adjust and he has a long way to go. But he has accomplished too much of being called overrated. But again, if that's what you think...

[Corey Kuropas]

Originally Posted by Jofeljoh!

Well I'd like to read those comments, because all I have heard is people saying that they doubt whether he could hang in with the heavies.

You're entitled by your opinion but it would be desirable to come with arguments and reason when you say such a thing. Otherwise it will just be considered as a troll.

He is no god of muay thai but records speak for themselves. Calling him overrated is calling a lot of other great fighters he has convincingly beaten overrated. What other reaction did you expect? If I'd call Carnage overrated like that out of nowhere you would get the same reaction. You're just giving fighters with records you can only have wet dreams about as a professional fighter no respect at all with saying such a thing.

I never expected he would run through K-1 like it's nothing, nor do I believe there are a lot of other people who actually do believe that. Going up so much in weight takes time to adjust and he has a long way to go. But he has accomplished too much of being called overrated. But again, if that's what you think...

Then I'm glad that you can root for your fighter without being a nuthugger like most. Most Spong fans are terrible saying he could beat anybody in Muay Thai (especially since he wont even fight Full Thai Rules)

And the think is, Carnage isn't overrated. While he has alot of fans (like myself), no one talks about him like he'd just destroy everyone. He's an exciting fighter, who fights under ANY rules. That's a reason why he gets major respect.

Oh and for your comment of "You're just giving fighters with records you can only have wet dreams about as a professional fighter no respect at all with saying such a thing." You are just showing ignorance since you don't know me. I'm very young in the fight game, and have along way to go, that I know. But just cause I think Spong is overrated, doesn't mean I don't respect him. He's a champ, there's no doubt in that. But he's not as "godly" as everyone thinks he is.