Carnage vs Spong SPOILER

[fnurp]

Originally Posted by Ham_Roll

Source is Spong the first thing he said was i broke my hand, which sounded very much like a excuse straight up.

So I guess you were at the fight and saw his hand after the match right?
If not so, why don't you give Spong, a honest fighter and nice guy, the benefit of the doubt. Thanks. : -). Hopefully there will be a rematch soon btw, going by the coverage, it sounded like a very explosive matchup.

[Ham_Roll]

Originally Posted by fnurp

So I guess you were at the fight and saw his hand after the match right?
If not so, why don't you give Spong, a honest fighter and nice guy, the benefit of the doubt. Thanks. : -). Hopefully there will be a rematch soon btw, going by the coverage, it sounded like a very explosive matchup.

I dont question his hand is broken, what im saying is in a fight stuff like that happen all the time and it should not be seen as the reason he got knocked out.

[whitesport]

...knocked down

[aussieinjapan]

Originally Posted by fnurp

So I guess you were at the fight and saw his hand after the match right?
If not so, why don't you give Spong, a honest fighter and nice guy, the benefit of the doubt. Thanks. : -). Hopefully there will be a rematch soon btw, going by the coverage, it sounded like a very explosive matchup.

You sound like a sooky bitch.

[Ham_Roll]

Originally Posted by whitesport

...knocked down

Nope if you get knocked down and dont make the count, its knocked out

[aussieinjapan]

Ham roll, how is canberra going this year?

[aussieinjapan]

I watched it, Corbett probably was a little out of line, but the ref was stupid. And no way is it a NC, Corbett won no doubt.

[Jofeljoh!]

In fact I couldn't see the fight because of the stream, so I can only go with what people post. So please don't immediately play the 'you're dutch and biased' card but hear me out. OP says the fight showed Corbett was the better fighter, and result orientated you could say that of course, although this reply on another forum is a bit more nuanced:

Originally Posted by Lord Gaul

So I don't have long as I have to get a few hours of sleep and then head back to the airport, but I wanted to comment on this fight as it will be a huge topic of conversation over the next few days.

First of all I want to say that in the end I have no problem with the No Contest and here is why. The ref botched the fight. Again I am going to give the short version of this and follow with the long on the show and in my full write up, which I will do when I get back. So in the first round there was a point when Tyrone landed a knee and him and Carnage went down. He jumped up immidietely and gestured that it was a ligit down and went to a netrual corner. At this time the ref didn't call it anything and let Carange get up slow and watch the fight recomence. Tyrone attacted the with more knees and body shots, but he was to late to get the down in the first. Then the second round happens and Tyrone downs Carnage. Here is were my sory is going to differ from all the rest. Carange takes a knee in an attempt to get his wits about him. When he gets up the ref calls him over and Carnage goes towards his own corner. THIS IS A KO. You are supposed to respond to the ref when they call you and when I watched it I was scared they were going to stop the fight. A good example of this would be When Bonjasky caught Leko with that jumping knee. Leko was fine when he got up, but he did not listen to the ref and went towards his corner and the ref called the fight over. THIS IS THE CORRECT DECISION. The ref missed this oppertunity and it takes us to it happening again. As I watched the fight Tyrone turned into the same guy that fought Zeyeda 4 years ago. He was walking through everything Carnag threw and Carnage tried everything he could think of to stop it. In the end he was hiting a brick wall as Tyrone began to work the knees more as his hand was broke. Then Carnage lands a huge shot that drops Tyrone, who was once again throwing that knee that is more risk then reward. So The count starts and Tyrone gets to his feet. He stumbles a bit and the ref makes a weird gesture that was between stopping the fight and walking away. Carnage then attacks Tyrone as this is his shot and the ref interceeds and stops him. Two things. One the ref botched this one as well. When Tyrone was dropped by Saki and he stumbled the ref grabbed him and called the fight over. No confusion at all to this being the end of the fight. This ref however did not commit to a decision and because of it Carnage attacked. CARNAGE WAS JUSTIFIED IN HIS ATTACK. He did what every fighter in the world would have done. The lone fault is still with the ref, because after a down he still has to signal the comencing of the action or the end of it. So in the case that I feel both men were robbed of victories in some way the no contest was fair.

Before you say it, the fact that you feel that Carnage scored the more effective down or that you feel the ref let it go on after the first down so that shouldn't count, these are errelevant facts. If I am wrong and Carnage did signal to the ref that he was OK and he didn't just head towards his corner then I will retract my statement as I watched it from ring side and may have missed a few things in the heat of the action. But don't give me a Tyrone was hurt more answer. Keep it educational.

Love your buddy Gaul. Picks and stories when I get back to the states.

Again, I don't want to make any excuses. I already congratulated Corbett and his fans. I cannot discuss about the above quote because I haven't seen the full fight yet. But thought it might be interested for this thread.

[Ham_Roll]

That American ref was terriable he also gave a count in the Slowinski fight for a obvious sweep.

I know what Lord Gaul is trying to say that the ref could of picked up on the first down but that is up to the refs judgement if a fighter is fit to continue and what is a down or slip.
With Carnage and the knee, the ref decieded it was fine to continue (so Spong was never in no way robbed in this fight). How many times do you see slips that were called downs and vice versa.If it was Lord gauls way many fights would be no contests.
Then when Carnage dropped Spong the ref signalled that the fight is over , that Spong cannot continue. So Carnage won the fight.
The bad ref part is that the way he signalled the end of the fight. First hit is his job to protect Spong if he feels he is too hurt to continue, so he should of stayed between the two fighters and waved in the air.
However the ref did the opposite he moved Spong into a normal fight restart postion, then took a step back so they were straight infront of each other again like a normal restart then waved his hands low again like a normal restart.
So Carnage is being robbed of his greatest victory by a ref mistake once the fight was already over.

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Hi...

Interesting one...

I've just watched the ending, and it looks to me like the fight was over...the ref stood Tyrone up, got him ready to fight while watching him closely...then on seeing Tyrone CLEARLY waved the fight off...I don't hear a command to start fighting again.

Looking at it on footage, I would say the fight was over, Carnage the winner, before his further striking.

The referee should perhaps of stepped between them quicker, but to be honest, he hadn't even checked on Carnage's position before restarting...hadn't even signalled for a restart...I think Carnage jumped the gun...wrongly...there did not appear to be a signal to fight.

So what happens? The fight is defiantely over...Carnage strikes again...you need to read the rules to find out how they should be applied...only then will you see if the fight stands as a Carnage win or a NQ....rules are rules...

And that's tough for me to say, I'm a mate of Tyrone's....

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