[Gomi1977]

Originally Posted by Jofeljoh!

I just found this particular quote interesting. So is being Dutch a religion or is being Muslim a nationality?

I bet he's a Geert Wilders' fan, you know him, the guy who made the "film" Fitna??? No, never heard of him??? Good, the guy's brain's impared cuz the hydrogin peroxide seaped through his scalp, so he became a politician...

Like everywhere else in the world, thanks to the Bush Doctrin, most "native" Dutch are scared shitless of Muslims, and forget several of the facts; that we, the Dutch, dragged them over here in the first place to help rebuild this country after WWII, that they did the jobs the Dutch felt they were to good for (and still do in large respects), and... Well, you get the picture...

YouTube - Bill Hicks: What is the point to Life

[Hofmeyr]

Originally Posted by BabiPangang

Migration for education is affcourse not the only reason, but it is by far the biggest group.

51% in Amsterdam is not Dutch, they are Muslim...51%!! you want to talk about thight religion?

Amsterdam is not appealing at all for living, not for one bit. I know because my complete family left Amsterdam. We originated from Osdorp, for generations. Now no one from our familiy lives in Osdorp anymore, or Amsterdam. They ALL left, they went to Lelystad, Bussum, Badhoevedorp, Hoofddorp and even to Brabant and Limburg.

More heavy criminality?? are you stupid? why do you think everybody flees the city? In the whole provinces of Brabant and Limburg are less killings, rape, gangrape, abuse, assault then in Amsterdam alone. In Brabant and Limburg are hardly any "no go area's" and there are NO gettho's. You can walk through every single street, day and night, and you can park your car in every single street you please without fair of being demolished, I don't say it doesn't happen but way less. There are no huslers who bother you wen walking in the centrum and you can get a taxi and the driver speaks fluent Dutch or English and does not try to scam you.

I would rather cut of both my balls with a rusty knife then letting my daughter go to a high school in Amsterdam. It's not even open for discussion, I would be a bad father if I did.

Another reason youngsters leave is beacuse the prizes of the houses. A student after he graduates can not afford to buy a house in a decent neighbourhood. For 200.000 - 250.000 Euro you can buy a nice house in the province. In Amsterdam you can not even buy an appertment for the same money. And no one with a right mind stays to rent a house.

Like I said before, look at the governement statistics at CBS - Home you cannot deny or discuss facts!

Yep, it is going to shit, just like England.

[BabiPangang]

Originally Posted by Jofeljoh!

I just found this particular quote interesting. So is being Dutch a religion or is being Muslim a nationality?

No I wrote that as a reaction to this:

The South relax? To tight family bonds, much more religious (or religious...), much more unemployment, less educated people, more (heavy) criminality, more asocial people, etc etc.

Saying the south is much more rigious, tight family bonds

IF there is 1 crowd in the Netherlands that keeps tight then it is the Muslim cummunity and not the Southern Dutch.

And NO I am not a Wilders fan, I do not vote at all. I just see it as it is, if 51% from your Nations capitol city is not even from your own Nation then there is something wrong with the Nation. I know that the USA would never ever allow that New York would be invaded from the inside. That's why I love Americans, they love their country and they are proud to be an American. We could learn from that. In the USA you (A) OR become an American and contribute to the Nation OR (B) you fuck off. That's how it should be.

[Pride Dream]

Originally Posted by BabiPangang

Like I said before, look at the governement statistics at CBS - Home you cannot deny or discuss facts!

lol at your facts, it's all complete BS. Can you give a specifick link on CBS about what you are talking about?

Here an article:
AD.nl - Misdaadmeter - Misdaadmeter 2007: Criminaliteit daalt

Rotterdam no longer the most criminal city, but Eindhoven. FYI, for me Rotterdam is in the South to.

[dreadedothrside]

So, how did this turn into a war room thread?

[Hagelslag2]

Originally Posted by Pride Dream

Rotterdam no longer the most criminal city, but Eindhoven. FYI, for me Rotterdam is in the South to.

Rotterdam isn't in the south. The south of the Netherlands is everything under the big rivers. So the provinces Zeeland, Noord-Brabant and Limburg, historically being catholic, are in the south and Rotterdam, being in the protestant north, clearly isn't.

[Eventual]

I thought this was about training in Holland and not about Geert"Mozart"Wilders

[Kurzgan]

Actually weed is EVERYWHERE. Not just in holland. When I was there I didn;t get asked to buy drugs anymore than I would if I was walking down Young street in Toronto. The only difference is that you can go into a coffee house and get hooked up with some VERY GOOD smokables. but just because it is there doesn't mean that you have to do it.\

It's called willpower bro

[maximusfelix]

We have some problems with Muslims youths in Amsterdam.And we have some area's that kind of resemble ghetto's.But there nowhere near as bad as in either France or Belgium.And those suburbs are nothing compared to the bad areas in the States so you dont need to worry about that part.Plus getting you daughter into a good school in Amsterdam isnt that hard.You just have to pick the right district and pay a little extra.Rotterdam is actually worse but still pretty mild compared to the rest of the world (comparing "bad" neighbourhoods here").The training is great and staying in Amsterdam isnt that expensive compared to London or Paris though the euro can be a problem now when your from the States.The main hassle is getting a room because there arent enough hotels and it isnt that easy to get a nice apartment.I think the kickbox training in the Netherlands is actually superieur to the training you get in Thailand if you want to train with the purpose of competing MMA or K1 style kickboxing.I love the Thai style but i think the dutch style got the whole combination,strong low kicks combined with good boxing and smart conditioning (in thailand you train all day long ,in the netherlands the focus more on intensity) down,which in my eyes is beter suited and a little bite easier to learn for people from the States.I think thaistyle kickboxing is more beautifull but i think the Dutch method is a little more effective.

[Kaminoko]

In thailand you get 2 hours training in the morning and 2 hours training in the evening.
i don't which country is better but some dutch kickboxers go to thailand to train....why should they if the dutch training is better....you cannot compare this and say that country is better. its just if you don;t want to train 2 times a day and live like a fighter you should not go to thailand.