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Old 06-02-2006, 07:01 AM   #1 (permalink)

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p4p best: hoost vs. dekkers

hello to joo.

i am a regular in sherdog OT and formerly the MMA forums. i know a lot about MMA but my kickboxing knowledge is very limited. outside of the most recent K-1 events and those fighters who have crossed over i basically know shit.

my question is this:

the two fighters who i hear touted as the best kick boxers of all time are ernesto hoost and ramon dekkers. both are different weight classes so i would like to know who you peoples would rate as the best p4p. some background info on the two would be nice too.

please spare some time to educate a gnub.

thanks in advance

PS. once i have a few opinions and some info i will reward yous with an amusing present.
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:32 AM   #2 (permalink)

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Dekkers wasn't the best in his weightclass, allthough he probably was amongst them. In his prime he probably was pretty the most dominant in Thaiboxing, at least European/modified rules. On full Thai rules, especially in the beginning in his carreer he got 'outclassed' by the Thais... with that I mean they were just better on those rules, Dekkers wasn't used to them also... Especially the elbows and clinches bothered them, and those are ofcourse important aspect in Thailand. Dekkers speciality was his boxing, which doesn't score as much.

Many people claim that he was robbed several times in Thailand, being it home-decisions etc... those are not true, at least most of them. It was just the rules. Allthough there are fights which he completely dominated with his boxing combinations, dazzled his opponent several times, but still lost. Alltough that doesn't seem right, it actually is, according to the rules. Sucky, but that's the way it is

Besides all that, there always is serious betting going on in Thailand, so you'd better not screw with decisions, because you then screw with the bets and the people! You don't want pissed off people losing all their money so to speak

About Hoost, well, you can pretty much say he's the best in the heavyweights, along with Aerts. Aerts is a bit underrated with Hoost, but both are extreme good technicians, with knockout power in every available technique (at least in their primes). Both have highkick, lowkick, punch and knee-knockouts... Hoost ofcourse didn't get the Mr Perfect nickname for nothing, and allthough he has 4 K-1 GPs won, and Aerts 3, I just want to place them on the same level of skill and achievement. Aerts actually won from Hoost when I consider them both in their primes (98).

It's always hard to compare fighters pound for pound. In lighter weightclasses you generally have less KO's, but more fast, technical actions. In the heavyweights it's the other way around. That's why Dekkers has such an incredible record: over 200 fights, 175 wins, 90 KO's. That's an extreme accomplishment. Even today his sparringpartners say he hits almost like a heavyweight. Dekkers in his beginning of his carreer was a relentless fighter, later on he became more of a relaxed tactician in the ring, just chosing he chances. See his comeback fight against Ludwig for example, of his former farewell fight against Marino DeFlorin. Just calm, picking his (incredible powerful) shots.

I don't want to pick none of them as the best P4P, and besides that, you just forget there were so many other great(er) fighters in Dekkers weightclass before... (Sakmongkong, Jomhod, Jongsanan, and the list goes on and on...)
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:39 AM   #3 (permalink)

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Rob Kaman is the best kick boxer of all time.
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Old 06-02-2006, 09:47 AM   #4 (permalink)

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Rob Kaman is the best kick boxer of all time.

Rob Kaman is one of the best ever.
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Out of Hoost and Dekkers- Hoost quite easily. He had no weaknesses what so ever where as Dekkers tended to rely on his fists.
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Old 06-02-2006, 12:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Neither of them are p4p best.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:16 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Rob Kaman is the best kick boxer of all time.

Well being that this thread is ONLY supposed to be about Hoost and Dekkers and you opened the door i must point out.


Rob Kamen fought Rick Roufus twice and got his ass whooped.

Hoost fought Rick Roufus twice and knocked Rick out in the second fight.

Kiatsongrit fought Rob Kamen 3 times whooping him good in two of them.

Hoost fought Kiatsongrit and whooped him so horribly bad that i don't even think he would dream of rematching hoost.

Rob Kamen bulked up to heavyweight and got smacked down by Leuyer. Had no success at that weight in K-1 or anywhere else.

hoost bulked up to heavyweight and with the exception of Branco he whooped every top heavyweight for many years.

Compare the success in both of their careers and you will see that Hoost's shadow a cloud over kamen's big time.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Well sure.... if you want to go all factual on his ass.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:26 PM   #9 (permalink)

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Dekker is not p4p best at all. If you want to get a non Thai who is much better research Danny Bille. Nuff Said

Dekker was very good. But his success was over hyped to over shadow people in his era who were actually better then him. Kinda like Britney Spears over Celine Dion.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:28 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well shit he was alright for a karate kid. He went from throwing ridge hands to the groin to actual fighting.

But yeah Dekkers has always been hugely overrated. The equivelant of the Arturo Gatti of Muay Thai except Dekekrs didn't have the luxury of plastic surgeons to remove the scar tissue.
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