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06-04-2007, 03:30 PM
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This thread got pretty sad, pretty fast. I was hoping for some talented flaming, but all I got was a bunch of weiners claiming to be too cool to fight.
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06-04-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hired Gun
You do not seem to understand. The way you defined success is only meaingful if others fail; there must be failure for your definition to be meaningful. And, your definition did not include moral, spiritual, character, etc. As i said, i think this hails not from forgetfulness but rather you simply do not value it as success. And, you did not reply to the wal-mart comment.
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I don't see this as the case. I think by Luba's standards he could be successful in a vacuum (or at least without social comparison). If he was the last man on Earth, and his goals consisted of building a house and hunting a wild boar, he would still consider himself successful in the accomplishments of these goals.
Maybe I'm missing your aim. If so, please be more explicit.
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I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me
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06-04-2007, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Polynikes
No...
You incorrectly assume that everyone that doesn't enough money to live in a big house, make a lot of money, and be "comfy" is because they are not as smart as you (although I personally don't believe you're very smart because you can't even follow basic dialogue), or didn't make the same choices as you...
You also, for some irrational reason, believe that everyone was born into the same situation as you (parents with money), and then chose to piss it all away...
Like that makes sense or something...
How can you say that you "put in the effort," but those with less than you do not?
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You are a product of your choices. Everyone has the same opportunities as I've had. We live in a country where pretty much anyone can do pretty much anything. Btw, my parents gave me no money. They didn't pay for my college. I paid my own bills and my own tuition.
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06-04-2007, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hired Gun
Then why couldnt the wal-mart guy you mentioned be successful?
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I said earlier, success is a personal perception. He can be successful in his own eyes. I have different objectives.
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06-04-2007, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lubaolong
I said earlier, success is a personal perception. He can be successful in his own eyes. I have different objectives.
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Yet, he would, nevertheless, be unsuccessful to you and so i ask again: why?
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06-04-2007, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lubaolong
You are a product of your choices.
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How very existentialist of you; I think it is too dissmisive of sociological and deterministic variables, no?
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Everyone has the same opportunities as I've had.
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This is a very contended statement and leap frogs over not just arguing it to be true but, too, whether people have equal reach to such opportunities whether they be social, psychological, genetic, economic, etc.
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06-04-2007, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper Man
I don't see this as the case. I think by Luba's standards he could be successful in a vacuum (or at least without social comparison). If he was the last man on Earth, and his goals consisted of building a house and hunting a wild boar, he would still consider himself successful in the accomplishments of these goals.
Maybe I'm missing your aim. If so, please be more explicit.
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As I've said elsewhere on here, I only want to enjoy life. I want to have freedom to work when I want, eat the food I want, take a few weeks off for travel when I want, live anywhere in the world I want, and not be stressed about having enough money or retirement. Achieving these endeavors is success. I win. Conspicuous wealth is just something that goes along with this. Yeah, I feel better than others. yeah, I'm happy I've done a better job that most people. That makes me feel good. But I agree that I would still consider myself successful even without these things. If I lived all alone in this world and achieved these goals, I would still feel equally successful. I just want to live without worries and enjoy myself.
Enough about this and my success. I'm not rich. I'm not Paris Hiton or Bill Gates. I'm not doing anything of world shattering proportions. Let's just get back to hating on EEG.
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06-04-2007, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hired Gun
Yet, he would, nevertheless, be unsuccessful to you and so i ask again: why?
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I have different goals. A homeless man's goal might be to get a stable job and rent an apartment. My goal might be to start a successful online business and buy an island. If my goal was to do something more, and I ended up failing and working at Wal-Mart, then I would have not succeeded.
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06-04-2007, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Hired Gun
How very existentialist of you; I think it is too dissmisive of sociological and deterministic variables, no?
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I believe internal attributions to success >>>>>>> external attributions.
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06-04-2007, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lubaolong
I have different goals. A homeless man's goal might be to get a stable job and rent an apartment. My goal might be to start a successful online business and buy an island. If my goal was to do something more, and I ended up failing and working at Wal-Mart, then I would have not succeeded.
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You grade his as life unsuccessful because he fails to meet your own subjective standards of success?
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