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Old 04-09-2008, 03:07 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I'm not even going to read your bullshit! The bottom line is Pierre lost to Serra got his ass beaten to a pulp,...and tapped out on top of that! He loses to a guy that eveyone completely ruled out, had absolutely no chance but comes in and shocks the mma world! You can never erase that defeat, I dont care what you and the band "***oniers" say. Pierre has a glass jaw and this black cloud of a 4' midget destroying his ass will never escape him!


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Old 04-09-2008, 03:09 PM   #102 (permalink)

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GSP is definitely the best and number 1 for ages to come.

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Old 04-09-2008, 03:12 PM   #103 (permalink)
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IMO GSP is the pound for pound best
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:14 PM   #104 (permalink)

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Sorry, Fedor is #1.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:17 PM   #105 (permalink)

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Randleman was top 10 when Fedor beat him, Randleman had just KO'd Cro Cop and that had to put him in the top 10.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:17 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Ok, maybe I am not going to overrate GSP, but if you a Fedor worshipper you better leave now.

That's right, I'm gonna argue GSP is better p4p than Fedor.

First, lets look at records and top 10 fighters. Lets use the trusty Archive.Org tool and MMAWeekly to get some data!

(off topic, but it seems like Dan Henderson was rumored to fight Anderson Silva at Pride 22. heh)

Bold = Top 10 fighter
GSP's Record:
Win Matt Hughes 12/29/2007
Win Josh Koscheck 8/25/2007
Loss Matt Serra 4/7/2007
Win Matt Hughes 11/18/2006 LINK from Nov 16
Win B.J. Penn 3/4/2006LINK from May 2006
Win Sean Sherk 11/19/2005 LINK from May 2006
Win Frank Trigg 8/20/2005 LINK from May 2006
Win Jason Miller 4/16/2005
Win Dave Strasser 1/29/2005
Loss Matt Hughes 10/22/2004
Win Jay Hieron 6/19/2004
Win Karo Parisyan 1/31/2004 LINK from February 2004
Win Pete Spratt 11/29/2003
Win Thomas Denny 1/25/2003
Win Travis Galbraith 10/11/2002
Win Justin Bruckmann 6/15/2002
Win Ivan Menjivar 1/25/2002

Sorry that some of the rankings were from almost a year ahead, but they were still ranked even after their losses to GSP

Now lets look at Fedor

Win Matt Lindland 4/14/2007
Win Mark Hunt 12/31/2006
Win Mark Coleman 10/21/2006
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins 12/31/2005
Win Mirko Filipovic 8/28/2005 Link from April 8 2005
Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 4/3/2005
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 12/31/2004 Link from December 12 2004
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8/15/2004
Win Naoya Ogawa 8/15/2004
Win Kevin Randleman 6/20/2004
Win Mark Coleman 4/25/2004
Win Yuji Nagata 12/31/2003
Win Gary Goodridge 8/10/2003
Win Kazuyuki Fujita 6/8/2003
Win Egidijus Valavicius 4/5/2003
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3/16/2003 Link from July 2003
Win Heath Herring 11/24/2002
Win Semmy Schilt 6/23/2002
Win Chris Haseman 2/15/2002
Win Lee Hasdell 12/21/2001
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa 10/20/2001
Win Renato Sobral 8/11/2001
Win Kerry Schall 4/20/2001
Win Mihail Apostolov 4/6/2001
Loss Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 12/22/2000
Win Ricardo Arona 12/22/2000
Win Hiroya Takada 9/5/2000
Win Levon Lagvilava 8/16/2000


I personally am not too keen on top 10 lists. But many people like to use them as a point of reference, so there you go.

Obviously, GSP has won against more top 10 fighters than Fedor has. But really, this isn't my point.

Many people mention Fedor's performances against Nogueira, Herring, and Cro Cop. This should be taken into account. If I can do the same thing for Anderson Silva, people can do the same for Fedor.

But is GSP any different? Sure, Fedor DOMINATED against Nogueira twice.... but did GSP not do the same to Hughes the last two times they fought? Hughes has been considered to be the best WW of all time (including by me, and I also consider him the 2nd best MMA fighter of all time - after Fedor).

The only time GSP has been in real "trouble" in a fight he won was against BJ Penn. Look, you have not seen nuthugging until you see me nuthug BJ, but it is obvious St. Pierre won that bout. Also, lets look at his other top ten wins. Trigg=Domination. Karo=Domination. Sherk=Domination. Koscheck=Domination.

I will make one concession: Fedor has never convincingly lost a fight. Personally though, I find it irrelevant IMO to a degree. Sure, GSP has lost a few fights, but he has more than closed the case with Hughes, and we will see how he performs against Serra in a few months. You can take that into consideration, and go on ahead.

And of course: activity. Not only has GSP been active - he fought 4 top 5 ranked WW in a row. And won.

(PS: if we wanna include Lindland as a top 10 fighter from 2 weight classes down, can I do the same for Menjivar?)

Argue and pick it apart all you want, I won't debate. I pretty much listed all my points here.

Fedor is overrated. Don't freak out now. Overrated =! bad. By overrated, I literally mean he is overrated. I believe GSP definitely tops him.

ONly Matt worth mention (downhill already), BJ is lightweight..

Nog, Crocop at their prime so I pick Fedor
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:23 PM   #107 (permalink)

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Old 04-09-2008, 03:28 PM   #108 (permalink)

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LOL! Another one of these threads.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:29 PM   #109 (permalink)

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^^^

Thats just disgusting
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:35 PM   #110 (permalink)

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I dont agree, I think Fedor is the #1 p4p fighter. Although you bring up valid arguments for GSP. Good read.
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