Why do people "Hate" on Judo? - Page 19

themaiden · 10-08-2006, 01:25 PM

Combat Sambo is mostly Judo just like BJJ is mostly Judo. Combat Sambo is the closest thing you can probably find to mma. It would however be very ignorant to come on this board and try to say Fedors Judo training isnt a huge part of his success.

**Q mystic** · 10-08-2006, 01:25 PM

I hear you Mr. Kilo. I think the initial point was only that I don't think it can be said that Fedor isn't doing judo out there anyless than sambo. But without a doubt, that combat sambo has been huge of course. It looks like its pretty well mma with jacket even. That would be nice to train in.

Fedor seems to be fairly called sambo/judo imo. As his base of course.

themaiden · 10-08-2006, 01:30 PM

Combat Sambo is mostly Judo just like BJJ is mostly Judo. Combat Sambo is the closest thing you can probably find to mma. It would however be very ignorant to come on this board and try to say Fedors Judo training isnt a huge part of his success.

Mr. KiLo · 10-08-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Q mystic

I hear you Mr. Kilo. I think the initial point was only that I don't think it can be said that Fedor isn't doing judo out there anyless than sambo. But without a doubt, that combat sambo has been huge of course. It looks like its pretty well mma with jacket even. That would be nice to train in.

Fedor seems to be fairly called sambo/judo imo. As his base of course.

He even says that he practices Sambo/Judo. He has a master of sport in both (along with his brother). To be honest, if you practice either alone (sambo by itself or judo by itself) you can transition very easily to the other sport.

The reason why I'm so interested in this discussion is because there is a Sambo training place fairly close to where I live and I'm hopefully about to train in Combat Sambo and No Gi Sambo (pretty much Sambo applied to no gi grappling).

**Q mystic** · 10-08-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. KiLo

He even says that he practices Sambo/Judo. He has a master of sport in both (along with his brother). To be honest, if you practice either alone (sambo by itself or judo by itself) you can transition very easily to the other sport.

The reason why I'm so interested in this discussion is because there is a Sambo training place fairly close to where I live and I'm hopefully about to train in Combat Sambo and No Gi Sambo.

Yep. Just a response to those that say 'Fedor is not judo, he is sambo'.

CS? You're a lucky man. I have done judo and boxing before, but its not the same as training them together. Doesn't seem like it would anyway.

Rigger · 10-08-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. KiLo

I've read somewhere that there is actually a style of Judo called Russian Judo.

russian judo is the name given to sambo liek techniques modified for Olymic judo rules.

there's a masterclass book on it http://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Judo.../dp/1874572461

You could just as easily say there is such thing as a french judo style evn though they only ever operate under Olympic judo rules.

**Q mystic** · 10-08-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigger

russian judo is the name given to sambo liek techniques modified for Olymic judo rules.

there's a masterclass book on it http://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Judo.../dp/1874572461

You could just as easily say there is such thing as a french judo style evn though they only ever operate under Olympic judo rules.

Seems to me that north american judo more resembles russian than japanese even.

Rigger · 10-08-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. KiLo

his Combat Sambo background also has a lot to do with his success in MMA.

Im not sure that fedor did any Combat Sambo before he switched to MMA.

My impression is that its something he does to keep up with competition sambo that he can still win at and that doesnt create any bad habits.

Mr. KiLo · 10-08-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigger

Im not sure that fedor did any Combat Sambo before he switched to MMA.

My impression is that its something he does to keep up with competition sambo that he can still win at and that doesnt create any bad habits.

That might be part of it but I know he started training in Combat Sambo and kickboxing in 1999 (according to wikipedia, which is not always the best srouce) while he was in the military, and prior to that he was purely a grappler. Although you probably are right in that he didn't start doing COMPETITION combat sambo until after he did MMA.

I_am_Jack · 10-08-2006, 03:37 PM

[quote=themaiden]Its a pretty interesting story and actually the foundation of mma in Japan but still it doesent prove anything about styles. Using your logic because Ad Santel was beaten by Gobar Goho then Pehlwani wrestling>Catch wrestling.
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I would say that. Further, I think that whatever excuses the Kodokan made for the loss, it happened repeatedly, against multiple opponents.