Why do people "Hate" on Judo?

[icanspell]

Judo gets a bad rap because of the gi, because people only associate it with throws vs strikes or subs, because in Olympic Judo they stand the guys up too fast and because just like Karate or TKD we all know somebody who bragged about taking Judo and subsequently got their ass handed to them in a schoolyard brawl.

[I_am_Jack]

Originally Posted by mmagraduate

No offense but you sound like you just started getting into martial arts. Ever heard of Mas Oyama? didn't think so.

Kyokushin karate is the exception, not the rule. If you meant kyokushin put that, not generic "karate"

Judo is less effective than wrestling, as demonstrated around the turn of the last century. Go to wikapedia and read up on "catch wrestling." The japanses obsession with pro-wrestling and Shooto began as a result of multiple judo world champions losing to American catch wrestlers.

BJJ, and submission wrestling correct many of the problems inherent in sport judo, and make it competitive.

Also, judo uses mostly throws and chokes which require a gi, which is not allowed or required in MMA. That makes the style less effective.

[GuardGame]

Originally Posted by masterfighter

Oh and Judo takedowns > bjj takedowns
judo groundgame > wrestling groundgame.

Oh and dont forget:
Wrestling Takedowns > Judo Takedowns
BJJ Groundgame > Judo Groundgame

[Humungus]

Originally Posted by mmagraduate

No offense but you sound like you just started getting into martial arts. Ever heard of Mas Oyama? didn't think so.

Mas Oyama is awesome.

[I_am_Jack]

Originally Posted by jx820

I wrestled for years. My headlocks used to always end in what was essentially a hip toss. I'd wrap the arm and head, turn my hip into them, rotate to drag their weight up and over my hip. I'd just make sure their feet moved faster than their torso. When their heels land first you hardly ever get a slam call. I also used variations of sweeps and trips in lots of positions.

Me too. I am short and had a slow shoot, so I relied on clenching and headlock throws to score every takedown I made.

[I_am_Jack]

Originally Posted by Humungus

Mas Oyama is awesome.

Speaking of Mas Oyama, who here has seen the sonny chiba "Street fighter" movies?

[robertorocha]

Originally Posted by mmagraduate

Judo has subs and throws that wrestlijng does not.

yep, the problem is that people are training for judo competitions, and forget the submissions.

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by Alzi_

BJJ and wrestling are more MMA-ready and easier to incoporate into an MMA repoitoire than Judo. Judo will not be suitable for MMA until it stops being so heavily gi-reliant and allows more than 5 seconds for grappling on the ground. And I also think they need to work on positioning after throws. Look at how Karo was unable to establish dominant position after throwing Diego who kept scrambling out. Ironically, Karo was able to control him best using double-leg takedowns.



Every delusional nuthugger genuinely believes his MA or fav fighter is the best so that's not really saying much.

The judoka that have entered mma have seemed to throw quite well with nogi. I see gi being no problem to overcome anymore than it has for bjjers. 5 seconds on ground? What the? If they only spent 5 seconds on the ground they would be much shittier ground fighters than they are.

Wrestling however, needs to learn the entire submission and back fighting game from scratch. Bjj? Complete standup game.

Sorry Alzi, hard to beat a very well rounded game that scores high for throws, control and subs. Karos 3 or 4 throws vs Diego are the only judo throws that I have seen that seemed to lack control after hitting the ground.

Judo is not my MA. I have more experience in it than the rest but I assure you its not nuthugging as our little discussion will attest.

Ironically, hearing 'judo throws lack control, 5 seconds on ground and gi shit' makes me think you may not be very fair with judo and relying too much on the straight sport. Anybody could have a heyday critiqing olympic wrestling and mundial bjj.

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by georgejjr

Well, you start more judo threads in a week than most people do in a year ... was going to suggest a 12 step program for you

You also kind of put things as judo vs __________, when in reality everyone in MMA has a wide variety of skills (especially on defense) ... there's never any pure judo or pure wrestling or pure BJJ etc. On the other hand, you get people reacting, and the threads can be entertaining to read. So, carry on

True on both counts. I may have a little too much fun out here.

I will be the 1st to admit that judo will not do very well in sport grappling comp but think it is a different story with grappling in mma.

Very fine lines tho and it wouldn't really matter at all, if you have luck and a good work ethic, of which grappling base you choose. Even moreso, as each gets better they will have to cater their own style to fight their opponents. Just shoot it about the base styles for fun, thats all. Sometimes people are in the mood mostimes not.

[Q mystic]

Pretty simply, take an elite olympic judo, olympic wrestler and mundial bjjer off the mat and prep him for mma. Generally, which will need to learn the least? Seriously?

The only debate I see is busting some myths.