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Originally Posted by Alzi_
That may be true of traditional sport BJJ but BJJ, unlike Judo, is a fluid and dynamic art that has branched out into different styles. No-gi BJJ has been developed for this reason to address the needs of MMA.
That's like saying Muay Thai is flawed because it lacks a ground game. BJJ does not claim to be an expert on takedowns or striking. It specializes in ground grappling and arguably does it better than anyone else. Judo, while it addresses both standup and ground, is not great at either. Judo's ground game isn't even in the same league as BJJ, Sambo, or catch wrestling. The standup is really Judo's bread and butter however the reliance on the gi makes it unsuitable for MMA and puts them at a disadvantage against wrestlers who are better at controlling their opponent using head control, overhooks, and underhooks. That is unless Judokas follow Karo's lead and start adapting their sport for MMA instead of the Olympics. I don't see why no-gi Judo couldn't be developed in the same fashion that no-gi BJJ was. Seems to me that Judo is more rigid and less open to change than other MAs.
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Judo's stand up is suitable for no-gi, it's based on balance and it does not require gi to work. Further in many schools, particularly in eastern Europe where judo is heavily influenced by wrestling, judokas have been frequently training in no-gi long before MMA so seems to me like you are talking about things you don't know much about. That's how Karo was trained, by Gokor who was judoka. You are also highly underestimating judo's ground game.
Most of your argument consists of comparing judokas ground game with BJJers, and their no-gi wrestling to wrestlers, concluding that judo is the inferior grappling art. How about we instead compare judokas wrestling with BJJers, and their submissions with wrestlers?
Fact is that on average pure judoka will have better wrestling than pure BJJer, and obviously better submissions than a pure wrestler because there are no submissions in wrestling.
Your opinion seems to be that being specialized in one area, while having a major weakness in other, is better than being very good in both areas. I disagree, being well rounded is what you want to be and it's what most MMA fighters aspire to.
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Originally Posted by Alzi_
Fedor is a Samboka. Nog destroyed Nastula.
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Are you desputing Fedor's judo background? Fedor has trained judo since he was a child, he competed internationally and was part of Russian judo national team. You don't get on the national team of any sport without being very serious about the sport, and Fedor was on the national team on arguably the second best judo country in the world.
He also noted a preference for sambo AND judo over BJJ in an interview. Russian judo and sambo are also very similar to each other.
As far as Nastula goes he was, at the age of 36 and in his first MMA fight ever, getting the better out of Nog in the first minutes of the fight both standing and on the ground. I certainly didn't notice that his ground game wasn't even in the same league as Nogs *while* he was fresh. He reversed Nog with ease and took him down several times.
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Originally Posted by Alzi_
Mount and back control are not pins?  BJJ gives you the ability to control, escape, and submit your opponent from any position. |
You missed my point, maintaing top position does not mean anything in BJJ and it's not what you train for. In MMA however getting and maintaing top position means a lot. it translates into ability to GNP.
As fighters are getting more rounded top position will become more and more imporant and this is where BJJ is lacking compared to judo and wrestling.
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Originally Posted by Alzi_
Go watch UFC 1-5 to see how pure wrestlers and judokas fare against pure BJJ fighters.
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I recall only one judoka against in the UFC 1-5, and the fact that he got thrown by a much lighter Royce from the clinch speaks plenty about his judo capabilities.
