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Old 05-16-2008, 02:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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He couldn't even finish Kenflo or Franca on roids ...
Fedor couldn't finish Big Nog three times, Crocop, a seven foot kickboxer, or two Light Heavyweights but he's still the god of MMA that isn't Hawaiian right?
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:52 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Sherk doesn't finish. He's 4-2 in the UFC with ONE FINISHING WIN...and that was a cut against a scrub.

Only way Sherk wins is 25 minutes worth of lay and pray
You just called Benji Radach a ''scrub''. You have just proven you know nothing about MMA.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:53 PM   #33 (permalink)

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BJ Penn has only been finished by only one person, Matt Hughes in his entire career. Some folks say it was a rightful beatdown, other people say that Penn got hurt which allowed Hughes to finish him.

People make fun of Sherk and call him the "Muscle Blanket" or other names, however he has 32 wins, 9 which are TKO's, 12 submissions, and 11 decisions, which means 21 of his wins are fights which he finished. (Who his opponents were might come under questions to some people.) But his finishes are greater then his decisions.


This fight is so great because it is so hard to call. If it goes 3 rounds or less, I see Penn taking it. But 3 or more rounds, I see Sherk winning it.

Sherk has two ways to win, one is grinding out a 5 round decision (I don't like his plan of grinding on people for 5 rounds, why doesn't he just try to finish people earlier?) or tire Penn out (which is realistically something he might be able to do) and finish BJ while Penn is exhausted.


I think this board would go nuts if Sherk finished Penn.

I believe that the longer it goes, the worse it will be for Penn. I think if it is 3 rounds or less, Penn will win, I think he will stun Sherk with strike and then get a submission on him. I don't see him catching Sherk in a submission otherwise. Sherk also has a great chin. If it goes 3 rounds or more, I see Sherk taking it. More then likely by decision. I don't see him finishing Penn, but you never know, I never thought Gonzaga would KO Cro Cop either.

It would be like Serra beating GSP. It might happen one out of twenty, but very unlikely.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:53 PM   #34 (permalink)
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No, BJ separated a rib...like I said, you can call him a liar and say he gassed, or believe him. I don't think he lied, and the fact that he did a complete 180 between rounds in terms of performance suggests an injury, not gassing.

UFC doctors have verified the rib injury that Penn believed he sustained during the second round of his fight with Matt Hughes, according to BJPenn.com. The injury has been found to be a fracture of Penn’s costochondral junction.

According to the findings of physician Sameer Nagda, MD, “There is evidence of a fracture of the right tenth costochondral junction with evidence of surrounding soft tissue edema and fluid consistent with moderate grade muscle strains of the intercostals and oblique musculature in the region of fracture.”

According to MedHelp.org, the costochondral junction is, “The point where the ribs articulate with the sternum.” What this essentially means is that during his fight with Hughes, Penn sustained a fracture of the connective tissue between his ribs and the sternum. This injury is considered to be a rib fracture.

“While in Las Vegas for UFC 64, BJ met with the UFC’s orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine doctor in Las Vegas for a physical exam and diagnostic MRI study of his ribs and oblique muscles on his right side. The report verified and substantiated exactly what happened to BJ at the end of the second round when he thrusted up and around to gain Matt’s back. During this upward and twisting movement, BJ pulled/tore internal muscles located inside and around the bottom right rib and fractured the rib. As explained, this type of trauma can and will cause a constriction of his right lung, leading to a substantially diminished breathing capacity.”


- UFC DOCTOR VERIFIES PENN'S RIB INJURY - MMA WEEKLY - Mixed Martial Arts & UFC News, Photos, Rankings & more
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I'm a huge Sherk fan and I am pulling for him to win this fight, but I don't think Sherk is going to finish BJ.

Most will be bored to tears, but I'm really curious to see if Sherk can pass BJ's guard and mantain dominant position on him throughout the fight.

People are putting too much emphasis on cardio. Yes Sherk has amazing cardio, yes BJ has displayed poor cardio in the past...but cardio is one thing that any fighter can improve on between single fights. I would guess that BJ is training like mad to make sure he is good for 5 rounds after all the shit he's talked.

That being said...WAR SHERK!
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Because Penn can be exceptionally cardio-weak, and Sherk is freakishly cardio-strong.

It's a bad matchup which is magnified by the two extra rounds.

And though he's fought 'better fighters' so to speak, this one stylistic difference may prove key in those later rounds.

Add one potentially significant difference, which is that Sherk may have a personal driving grudge in this match to make it a point to finish an exhausted Penn, due to the excessive personal attacks and a need to redeem the steroid issue, whereas without all that he may have been content to simply lay on him ala Franca all the way through to the end.

I really see Sherk taking this one.
That's reasonable. I say this is pretty much every BJ fight: If BJ fights his best, he'll win, doesn't matter if it's GSP or whoever, when he's at his best, he's the best in the world...Sherk needs to take BJ out of his game, and it's seems hard for me to pick Sean when that means getting him tired...he's pretty much relying on BJ getting tired and that alone. He's the inferior fighter, even in wrestling IMO.
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I'm a huge Sherk fan and I am pulling for him to win this fight, but I don't think Sherk is going to finish BJ.

Most will be bored to tears, but I'm really curious to see if Sherk can pass BJ's guard and mantain dominant position on him throughout the fight.

People are putting too much emphasis on cardio. Yes Sherk has amazing cardio, yes BJ has displayed poor cardio in the past...but cardio is one thing that any fighter can improve on between single fights. I would guess that BJ is training like mad to make sure he is good for 5 rounds after all the shit he's talked.

That being said...WAR SHERK!
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UFC doctors have verified the rib injury that Penn believed he sustained during the second round of his fight with Matt Hughes, according to BJPenn.com. The injury has been found to be a fracture of Penn’s costochondral junction.

According to the findings of physician Sameer Nagda, MD, “There is evidence of a fracture of the right tenth costochondral junction with evidence of surrounding soft tissue edema and fluid consistent with moderate grade muscle strains of the intercostals and oblique musculature in the region of fracture.”

According to MedHelp.org, the costochondral junction is, “The point where the ribs articulate with the sternum.” What this essentially means is that during his fight with Hughes, Penn sustained a fracture of the connective tissue between his ribs and the sternum. This injury is considered to be a rib fracture.

“While in Las Vegas for UFC 64, BJ met with the UFC’s orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine doctor in Las Vegas for a physical exam and diagnostic MRI study of his ribs and oblique muscles on his right side. The report verified and substantiated exactly what happened to BJ at the end of the second round when he thrusted up and around to gain Matt’s back. During this upward and twisting movement, BJ pulled/tore internal muscles located inside and around the bottom right rib and fractured the rib. As explained, this type of trauma can and will cause a constriction of his right lung, leading to a substantially diminished breathing capacity.”


- UFC DOCTOR VERIFIES PENN'S RIB INJURY - MMA WEEKLY - Mixed Martial Arts & UFC News, Photos, Rankings & more
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I'd be shocked if Sherk finished Penn. I have Sherk to win the fight via decision but not by finishing him.
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Regarding your sig lol

I'm not sure if that's the best way to approach someone who might actually get your back at some point in the fight.
Haha well hopefully it doesn't come to that. Best case scenario is Sean Sherk winning in any way possible!
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