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Old 09-08-2006, 04:08 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Wanderlei's Opinion on Nog's Chin

This is from his interview on the front page, I'm sure you've all read it.

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I’m going to punch faces, to walk into the fight, and I can leave a message. One iron chin has already fallen down. In MMA there are no guys that can’t be knocked out — if the punch hits the chin the guy is KO’d. If I hit the chin, the guy is down.
Can Silva KO Nog? I mean, Fujita's a tough bastard, but he'd been rocked before, and at no point in the fight with Silva would I say he was out, but he did quit defending. He couldn't KO Hunt, so I wonder if he can KO Nog. I'd say Nog and Hunt's chins are very damn close.
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Old 09-08-2006, 04:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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no he cant but that was hes best shot at getting in the finals but pride ddint want barnett crocp 3
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:09 PM   #3 (permalink)

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i put Minotauro´s chin over hunt´s chin!

i think it´s a big difference between a TKO (ref stop.) and a KO(compleate out)

WAND could TKO NOG but not KO him.
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Silva might get a tko but that is very unlikely imo. Decision all the way. Silva surprised me with Fujita but Nog cannot be KO'd.
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i put Minotauro´s chin over hunt´s chin!

i think it´s a big difference between a TKO (ref stop.) and a KO(compleate out)

WAND could TKO NOG but not KO him.
I don't.
Becouse Hunt is blessed with a fuckin boulder between his shoulders.
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Fujita keeps his hands at his fucking waist, not to mention he is garbage. Nog has some actual boxing skills. Silva won't be able to just tee off on him.
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:23 PM   #7 (permalink)

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wandy is right
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i put Minotauro´s chin over hunt´s chin!
Seeing Hunt take CroCop's LHK and comparing that to Nog taking CroCop's LHK, I have to give the edge to Hunt on who's chin is best. I like Nog better as a fighter, but Hunt's chin is just incredible.
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Old 09-08-2006, 06:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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A Silva victory would bring alot of attention to Pride. It's possible the referees will try to help that along. I could see them stepping in to stop Silva from hitting Noguiera despite Noguiera's reputation for having an iron chin.
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Unfortunately when a fight is stopped by TKO you never know how close to a full KO the victim was. Wandy's Kondo fight could have been stopped by TKO when he knocked Yuki down and went for the stomps. It didn't and a few seconds later and he was completely out. Same goes for Randleman and Crocop. Mirko was still awake after getting dropped. But it only took a few more shots and he was in dream land.

When you get badly rocked (like Fujita did), you can't defend properly anymore in terms of covering up, rolling with the strike, or just plain being ready to get hit. You can get KOed very easily at this point... although sometimes you do pull through (primarily by your opponent not taking advantage fast enough). With Fujita stumbling around on his knees and Wandy's love of soccer kicks and face stomps, I'd bet that he could have truely KOed Fujita given 30 seconds more. Thankfully there are refs to make these decisions and rather than suffereing brain damage we'll get to see Fujita fight another day.

So Silva is correct when he says any fighter can be KOed; that's true. But I think he's overestimating himself when he implies that HE is good/powerful enough to predictably do it to ANY fighter. Personally I think it would take someone with Crocop's ability to KO Nogeira, but it's also true that a guy can get a lucky punch in. Silva himself has been dropped by a number of such lucky punches.

Of course, what do you expect the guy to say? "Uh, Nog's to tough for me to KO so my stand-up game is useless. I can't submit him either, and he's bigger than me so he'd dominate the ground. Maybe I'll win a decision if I'm lucky"? Of course he has confidence and wants to go for the KO and give the fans a real show. That's just the way he is. We'll see how accurate his predictions are in a couple days.
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