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Old 10-29-2009, 03:41 PM   #21 (permalink)

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Old 10-29-2009, 03:45 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Worldly proof Shogun won.
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First things first:

- The audience was largely in favor of Machida before the fight. After the decision was announced, the only thing you could hear was boos, boos and more boos.

- Rogan and Goldberg gave the fight to Shogun.




Dana White: "I thought Shogun won"

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Dana White "I thought Shogun won the fight." [video]




MMA journalists and websites:

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
CompuStrike: Rua outlanded Machida 89-50 in Total Strikes landed including 73 Leg Strikes landed. Rua dominated the fight and did just about everything he needed to do to beat the undefeated Machida, including outlanding Machida in every round, but apparently it wasn't enough for the judges.
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
Savage Science: 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
411mania.com: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
MMAConvert: Rua ("Machida was given a gift")
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua
Sports Illustrated (thanks jamers):
Ben Fowlkes - Rua ("They say you have to clearly beat the champion if you want to take his belt. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua seemed to have done just that at UFC 104 on Saturday night, but the mere fact that UFC light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida was still conscious at the end was apparently enough for the judges to give him the victory")
Joss Gross: 48-47 Rua
MMARising / Robert Sargeant (thanks TheEnigma): 49-46 Rua
FightLine: 49-46 Rua (thanks karatelarusso)
Loretta Hunt (thanks On Letting Go): Rua ("I am very disappointed in the decision. Very upsetting. The sport owes Mauricio "Shogun" Rua a big apology.")
TATAME (thanks Radamantis): "Maurício “Shogun” Rua was the underdog, but the 2005 Pride GP champion “surprised” everybody with a perfect strategy and performance, dominating three out of five rounds against Lyoto Machida, but losing by unanimous decision (48-47)."

credit: dystemper (thanks for compiling most of this list) and others for contributing (listed above)

Dystemper's original thread:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/wha.../#post34126203




Pro fighters who thought Shogun won:

- Anthony Johnson (post-fight conference)
- Joe Stevenson (post-fight conference)
- Cain Velasquez (post-fight conference)
- Shane Carwin (via Twitter)

"great night of fights. further proof you have to finish as the judges just can't score MMA"
- Denis Kang (via Twitter)
"Shogun got robbed last night IMO."
- Efrain Escudero (via Twitter)
"I'm sorry but shogun won that fight easy"
- Kenny Florian (via Twitter)
"I love Machida but Shogun won that fight!!"
- Joe Lauzon (via Twitter)
"I think Shogun won it."
- Frank Trigg
"he [Shogun] got robbed, was looking 4 don king"
- Roy Nelson
"I just lost $5 on shogun, I am mad, shogun won 4 rounds to 1"
- Joe Doerkson
"Shogun won four rounds out of five ... I am disgusted."
- Brendan Schaub
"Shogun won that fight."
- Jorge Gurgel
"Wow. I was cheering for Machida, but believe Shogun just got robbed... That is the very worst feeling in the world."
- BJ Penn (via Facebook)
"Did Shogun win? yeah."
- Rampage Jackson (via his website)
"Shogun getting robbed like that was pretty cut throat"
- Jon Jones (via Twitter)
"Watched it again this morning and still just saying wow. I guess the next guy might just need to bring a sword"
- Ben Henderson (via Twitter)
"To me that was a bad decision. Rua was more active and the aggressor."
- Kit Cope (via Twitter)
"What?!?! That was the worst robbery I have seen in the UFC ever!!!"
- Jake Shields (via Twitter)
"Even though Shogun should have won that fight!"
- Miguel Torres (via Twitter)
"Shogun is back. Very impressed, Muay Thai 1, Karate 0."
- Cameron Dollar? (via Twitter)
"Man the ufc judging tonight was garbage"
- Jay Silva (via Twitter)
"Ufc 104 was okay rua won the fight but u all know u gotta bit the camp 2 be a champ, but wht about the rampage fight hmmmm"
- Matt Brown (via Twitter)
"Shogun def robbed, but after a 2nd watch it was closer than I thought at first. I gave Machida rd 1 & MAYBE rd 3. Just my two cents..."
- Tiki Ghosn (via Twitter)
"Karate doesn't work against Muay Thai"
- Frank Shamrock (via Twitter)
"Shogun won that fight"
- Antonio Silva
- Vitor Belfort (TATAME.com)
"UFC judges aren’t good to judge. To beat the champion, you only have to win, it doesn’t matter how."
- Rickson Gracie (according to Shogun)
- Randy Couture
"Shogun won 4 rounds."
- Wanderlei Silva (training partner)
"he [Machida] did not do enough to win the fight"




Pro fighters who thought Machida won:

- Josh Thomson (via Twitter)
"Watch the dam fight again. Machida won 3rnds an shogun won the last 2."
- Anderson Silva (Machida's best friend)
"Lyoto won every round." (TATAME.com inteview)


(thanks to Aertz, JRide & karatelarusso for fighters)

I will add to this list as more pro fighters weigh in with their opinions




Fight Metric stats:


link: Machida-Shogun




CompuStrike stats / conclusion:


link: CompuStrike - Every Strike Counts




Sherdog forum poll:

link: **EVERYONE WHO THINKS SHOGUN WILL BEAT MACHIDA** sign names here




Sherdog.com poll:

link: www.sherdog.com



Two of the biggest sites in Brazil (polls)


credit: HadtoReg




ESPN website right after fight:

Shows ESPN made a premature headline saying that "Shogun decisions Machida at UFC, seizes title".



credit: BlueNote




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Old 10-29-2009, 03:50 PM   #24 (permalink)

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...I believe there is a huge conspiricy here by the Nevada boxing association alone or along with the UFC brass...
Why is the Nevada boxing association conspiring to fix California MMA fights?
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Here is some proof that Machida won:






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Old 10-29-2009, 03:54 PM   #26 (permalink)

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Wow, now thats proof! That is an amazing collection of reality. The karate fakes will still deny all fact and logic, just like their entire fake fighting system, full of useless techniques that couldn't help them fight out of a paper bag. Go hit the hardwoods with your long-haired Doctor Professor Grandmaster Gung pu Cha wa puba fraud.
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:56 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Agreed won by losing.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:02 PM   #29 (permalink)
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We are talking about a real win, actually going out there and defeating an opponent in every way, not a lie, not a fake win. Not somebody perhaps recieving money and then filling out a score card to GIVE a person a win. Karate students don't know the difference. They are not fighters, they are actors. Scammers. Martial Makebelieve wanttobes. Liars. Complete disgraces to Martial Arts. Is there going to be an Aikido UFC champ next?
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:07 PM   #30 (permalink)
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All the Karate losers doing their kata dances with little to no sparring or bag work should just snap out of their Karate kid daydream fantasy, get off the Machida bandwagon and especially get off these message boards. Karate isn't even a Martial art, its a fraud, hollywood illusion. There can't be many more of these fake wins to push Karate because there are a bunch of guys in the UFC that will destroy Machida. If you think he really trains karate and does kata for fights, then you are a fool.
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Wow, now thats proof! That is an amazing collection of reality. The karate fakes will still deny all fact and logic, just like their entire fake fighting system, full of useless techniques that couldn't help them fight out of a paper bag. Go hit the hardwoods with your long-haired Doctor Professor Grandmaster Gung pu Cha wa puba fraud.
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We are talking about a real win, actually going out there and defeating an opponent in every way, not a lie, not a fake win. Not somebody perhaps recieving money and then filling out a score card to GIVE a person a win. Karate students don't know the difference. They are not fighters, they are actors. Scammers. Martial Makebelieve wanttobes. Liars. Complete disgraces to Martial Arts. Is there going to be an Aikido UFC champ next?
lol... i sense a pattern here.... anyone else getting the idea that this guy was picked on as a child by some karate students?

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