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06-25-2008, 05:40 PM
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#81 (permalink)
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Green Belt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by koquerelle
Do you guys think Couture gets more than 10% for lending his image to Affliction?
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The percentage is not the problem. Im sure that is about right but the rest is crazy. How can I not make money off my own name and likeness after I am no longer employed by your company?
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06-25-2008, 05:41 PM
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#82 (permalink)
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,626
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Originally Posted by Kajun
They wont be able to use their names or likeness for sponsorships if they sign this....not even after they no longer work there. You dont see a problem with that?
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He doesn't. He is a UFC nuthugger troll.
The UFC or Dana can do no wrong in his eyes.
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06-25-2008, 05:42 PM
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#83 (permalink)
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Green Belt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dallas
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If they dont sign it I wonder how many of the fighter will be withdrawn from the video game before it comes out?
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06-25-2008, 06:03 PM
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#84 (permalink)
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Green Belt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by machine29
It comes down to this. Take Forrest Griffin for example.
Lets say he opens a CO like Tito has.
U have to buy all the tshirts, have them printed, rent a warehouse etc etc etc
Uprobably have to sell 70 shirts just to breakeven
What this does, he gets 20 percent of every shirt that has his likeness thats sold in WALMART,Target, JCPenny etc etc
So whats gonna sell more? Forrest selling his own Tshirt at 20 a pop
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getting lets say 3 dollars a shirt from the UFC BUT considering the shirts are in every walmart,Target,JCPenny etc. He could easy sell 100,000 shirts
So to make 300,000 selling his own shirts, he'd have to sell 15,000 shirts at 20 bucks a pop and that isnt counting what the materials,warehousing etc costs.
Fighters could also STILL run their own Clothing Co. They'd have to do like Tito and just make it Punishment or something without selling your actual PICTURE on the shirt.
I think its a great deal for the fighters as most wouldnt be able to sell many shirts and merch on their own.
No offense but the short time I've been on this forum, its been made pretty clear that there arent a whole lot of business majors on this forum.
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Forrest wouldnt make his own shirts he would partner with a manufacturer and split the profits. Your not a business major either are you? Forrest isnt some no name rapper selling cd's out of his trunk at the club. Im sure his agent is hit all the time with shit for him to put his face on. He has the fame...someone else puts up the cash and they both profit.
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06-25-2008, 06:08 PM
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#85 (permalink)
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,094
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Dear god I hope the fighters union against this that is insane.
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06-25-2008, 06:12 PM
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#86 (permalink)
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,094
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For everyone saying the fighters wouldnt make money outside the UFC, you have a point. But that is becuase right now the UFC is a monopoly, and this kind of contractual behavior seems like it should be illegal to me.
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06-25-2008, 06:37 PM
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Orange Belt
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 452
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I can understand a lot of the agreement and even though I still think its b.s. I wouldn't be that pissed except for this part
"· The Agreement operates to strip even the fighter himself of the opportunity to profit on his own Identity in the marketplace. Not only are fighters being asked to sign an agreement that grants likeness rights to Zuffa on a worldwide, exclusive basis (to the exclusion, incredibly, of even the fighter himself), the term of the Agreement is forever.
· The term of the Agreement lasts forever, and the Marketing Rights for fighter are held by Zuffa even after a fighter is cut!"
This part it F-CKED Up!!!! I hope know one signs the agreement cause they will be screwing themselves for life. No matter what anyone says if the sport becomes as large as Dana says it will then the fighters will have a much better chance of making just as much money outside the ufc.(sponsers, ads, movies, their own merchandise, ......) Horrible idea for anyone to agree to this. WAR AFFLICTION, DREAM, ELITE XC!!!!!!!!!!
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06-25-2008, 06:39 PM
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#88 (permalink)
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,899
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This type of information is great for those interested in the a clearer view of the UFC's big picture. However, it will do nothing to convince those readers that truly believe the UFC to be all that is nessesary for MMA that any of their practices are suspect.
There is a big difference between good business and good business ethics.
People here talk about how much they love this fighter or that fighter and will viciously defend that fighter against anyone that might ofter them less majesty than the believe the fighter deserves regardless of the fighters record or even any real common sense. People like who they like regardless of logic. But when it comes to taking the side of the fighters against the promotion, they will quickly choose the promotion and basically say "Fuck the Fighters, it's good business". This is a brilliant example of the power of marketing and the generally fickle nature of the typical MMA fan.
One thing is certain, while the UFC will likely remain one of the top if not THE top organization in MMA, this sport is growing too popular and there is too much money to be made for them to have the sole run of the high end of the sport purpetually. There WILL come and organization with the right balance of money, determination and marketing savvy to take on the UFC head to head. You will then a real change in the MMA landscape as fighters once again gain a measure of power in not only their compensation, but how much of their life they have to sign over.
So for those of you praying for a UFC monoply and the death of the current upstart organizations better simply enjoy this moment while its here, cause the quicker this sport grows the sooner and more likely this true rival competitor will arrive and seriously cut into the UFC's available talent pool and revenue.
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Last edited by Dunwich; 06-25-2008 at 06:47 PM.
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06-25-2008, 06:43 PM
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#89 (permalink)
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Green Belt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Dallas
Posts: 1,198
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DNA4421
its a give and take but its the marketing that has made the money..........fighters are still around but it wasnt until Zuffa that they started to get paid (in the US)
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And Zuffa didnt start making money until it got the right guys to market. Give them the EXC roster and see how much they make.
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06-25-2008, 06:45 PM
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#90 (permalink)
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Black Belt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Reppin' 11717 to the fullest
Posts: 5,907
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Wow... . A multi-million dollar company force-fucking their lower level employees... What a novel concept.
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