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11-03-2009, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SamboMontreal
Fedor would disagree.
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The guy who just recently had 5 consecutive victories via submission?
3 armbars, a kimura, and a rear naked choke.
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11-03-2009, 09:04 PM
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#22 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by PineBoxFiller
It's because many see these guys as an eventual threat to Fedor, so Fedor nuthuggers will do anything to discredit them.
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EVERYONE is an eventual "threat" to Fedor. Until Fedor beats them. It's not really about discrediting anybody; it's about the fact that Fedor is the greatest fighter of all time, Dana White can't get him under his thumb, and that infuriates UFC backers who stubbornly refuse to admit that the #1 HW in the world, and of all time, has not and does not fight in "their" league.
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11-03-2009, 09:08 PM
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#23 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rutten Jump
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The guy who just recently had 5 consecutive victories via submission?
3 armbars, a kimura, and a rear naked choke.
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And...
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11-03-2009, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OnlineTuffGuy
Todd D., is that you?
There's not as much hate as there is over-hyping of UFC HW prospects. Fedor would smash them all. Lucky for them they're playing it safe in the UFC instead of going to find Fedor.
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Exactly. That way, they can talk all the shit they want, and not have to worry about backing it up against the #1 HW of all time. Wouldn't it be nice to see Rogers come to the UFC after Fedor dispatches him and clean house? Priceless. Then, after Rogers is UFC champion, Dana White will prop him up like he does Lesnar. Rogers at 15 or 16-1: Dana White: "I'm sick of hearing all this shit about Fedor. That loss was a long time ago. Brett Rogers is a much better fighter now. BLAHBLAHBLAH."
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11-03-2009, 09:09 PM
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#25 (permalink)
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That's the thing, the champion looks unstoppable, but we haven't seen it. I believe the problem of the division is that it lacks all rounded veterans.
Look at the LW division, even lacking big names, you have Penn, and despite his attitude in interviews, he backs it up, being talented in many facets of the game. We can't say the same about Brock, he only showcased his wrestling/smothering so far. And most contenders at the heavies are relatively new or just barely won versus top 10 material, like Carwin, JDS, GG, Cain. Also, there are many one dimensional fighters out there... A guy with Kongo's skill set would get smashed on a regular basis at the Welter Weights.
I do believe some fighters look promising, Cain got a good performance in his last fight, but we still have to witness much more to watch a solid HW.
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11-03-2009, 09:10 PM
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#26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by SamboMontreal
And...
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OK I'll help you out. What I'm saying is that BJJ is not synonymous with submission grappling. Fedor trains Sambo and Judo, he has never taken a BJJ lesson in his life. Calling all submission grappling BJJ is offensive to non-BJJ grapplers such as myself (well not really lol, just saying). If you had said some form of submission grappling is absolutely essential, there would be no argument.
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11-03-2009, 09:16 PM
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#27 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by SamboMontreal
OK I'll help you out. What I'm saying is that BJJ is not synonymous with submission grappling. Fedor trains Sambo and Judo, he has never taken a BJJ lesson in his life. Calling all submission grappling BJJ is offensive to non-BJJ grapplers such as myself (well not really lol, just saying). If you had said some form of submission grappling is absolutely essential, there would be no argument.
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Alright, I'm with ya.
I know Fedor is a Sambo guy but I always end up referring to submission grappling as BJJ, sorta like I call all tissue "Kleenex".
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11-03-2009, 09:18 PM
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#28 (permalink)
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I 100% agree with TS. Too much hate about top MMA fighters in general and especially about HWs in the "hardcore fans community".
It seems like everyone is a can but two/three fighters by weight class.
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Originally Posted by OnlineTuffGuy
There's not as much hate as there is over-hyping of UFC HW prospects. Fedor would smash them all. Lucky for them they're playing it safe in the UFC instead of going to find Fedor.
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One of the reasons for the HWs is this. Fedor nutthugers. It relates to what I said before: one god and cans.
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11-03-2009, 09:24 PM
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#29 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutten Jump
Alright, I'm with ya.
I know Fedor is a Sambo guy but I always end up referring to submission grappling as BJJ, sorta like I call all tissue "Kleenex".
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haha alright, but there are a lot of guys out there who think BJJ is the be-all-end-all of grappling. Hopefully some of them will read this lol.
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11-03-2009, 09:29 PM
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#30 (permalink)
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The HW division is the best it's ever been
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Someone please tell me to go away if I start bitching about Rua and Machida.....they are going to fight again.
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