Training at other camps

Boss · 01-07-2009, 09:04 AM

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With the front page article on Lesnar perhaps training with Randy Couture there was a lot of disagreement on whether or not this is a good idea.

On the don't train with him side, some said Randy was never great (right) and others said because he lost there is nothing you can learn from him.

I wanted to discuss this, but not just in a Lesnar and Randy discussion.

It is completely senseless to think that you cannot learn something from another fighter/coach, even if you've beaten them in a fight or if they've never fought.

Some people are great fighters and bad coaches, others are great coaches and bad fighters. Others are in between or never tried the other.

But to think just because you beat someone means that you cannot learn anything from them is ridicoulous.

Do you think that GSP couldn't learn anything from BJ Penn, because GSP beat Penn?

Or that Hughes couldn't learn anything from GSP after the first time they fought because Hughes beat GSP?

There are many great camps out there and even if you don't make a long term change, just going and working with someone else for a small amount of time can expand your horizons and deepen your knowledge.

I'm all for one fighter going to another camp and training, even if for a small amount of time.

It is the fighter who is smart enough to realize that going to a different camp will hopefully teach him something new, and it shows a fighter who is not egotistical and feels they have nothing more to learn or that their is nothing out there that their camp doesn't already know.

Rampage learned a lot from Juanita and was very successful, after their falling out he went to Wolfslair and it obviously worked.

Wandy, a crafty veteran went to a different camp and he showed improvement also.

It's the fighter who never wants to change camps that will probably be passed up sooner then the one who is willing to seek out knowledge and new learning.

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Cooking With Dom Deluise · 01-07-2009, 09:32 AM

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I couldn't see Wanderlei in any point of his career eating that left hook as hard as he did and not going out.

Charles Kozeluh · 01-07-2009, 09:40 AM

I love going to different places evev if you beat a guy you can still learn from him.I beat guys all the time with no gi on but they kill me with a gi. I'm a better boxer than alot of the guys that I do standup with but they know a hundred times what I do about kicks and knees.What I am saying is sontimes athletic abillity somtimes overcomes teqnique but that dosn't mean he dosn't know more or a better way than you

randell · 01-07-2009, 09:42 AM

The fact Brock wants to learn more from Randy despite taking his title shows he really wants to grow as an MMA fighter. On Randy's part it just shows how you have to love Captain America.

Randy asked Maurice Smith to help him train for Chuck Liddell I.

Boss · 01-07-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by randell

The fact Brock wants to learn more from Randy despite taking his title shows he really wants to grow as an MMA fighter. On Randy's part it just shows how you have to love Captain America.

Randy asked Maurice Smith to help him train for Chuck Liddell I.

Exactly. It shows humility on both fighters parts. And willingness to help and learn.

It will also make the rematch, if there is one more exciting. And lesbar may teach couture something also.

FREE BEER! · 01-07-2009, 12:13 PM

You definitely learn more training with lots of different fighters. After you've fought, there's really no reason not to.

Some guys prefer to keep their training secret before a fight though which I completely understand. Chuck and Tito both knew what was going to happen when they fought.

TKJ · 01-07-2009, 12:27 PM

I think Lesnar is a genius for working out there. XC is one of the top camps in the world right now, He'll have many good training partners, and he should be able to expand his game.

This also shows how good of a guy The Natural really is. It's possible that Brock will beat Mir and Randy will beat Nog then the two would face each other again. Then again, this could help Randy find Brocks weaknesses.

TQ fan · 01-07-2009, 12:46 PM

"Juanita" ? I didn't know rampage had been trained by a Latina

ocfightfan · 01-07-2009, 12:48 PM

I think you are right.

What alot of don't seem to realize is that coaching and fighting are two different skill sets.

The guy who's a great coach was rarely the best of the best player/fighter, and that may be why he went into coaching, but he knows how to take someone and improve what they are doing.

Conversly, athletes who are the best of the best rarely make great coaches. They usually either had natural talent to begin with, or just learned things so well that its automatic for them, and they don't know how to communicate those skills and what it takes to get them to someone else.

And even the best guy needs a coach to push him, and give him the perspective and feedback from the outside looking in that he can't have because hes in the middle of the fight.

Furthermore every fighter is different, even if they have similar styles, and theres always something new you can learn from just about anybody whether you can beat them or not. It only takes one little insight to improve your game in a significant way, and sometimes the guy you can beat may have a trick he knows that can add to your game. The fact that you can beat him may be due to other factors, but something that he knows that you don't will make you better.

So if Brock is training with Randy then that proves that he is very smart, and humble, and he's serious about being the best HW out there.

Boss · 01-07-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ocfightfan

I think you are right.

What alot of don't seem to realize is that coaching and fighting are two different skill sets.

The guy who's a great coach was rarely the best of the best player/fighter, and that may be why he went into coaching, but he knows how to take someone and improve what they are doing.

Conversly, athletes who are the best of the best rarely make great coaches. They usually either had natural talent to begin with, or just learned things so well that its automatic for them, and they don't know how to communicate those skills and what it takes to get them to someone else.

And even the best guy needs a coach to push him, and give him the perspective and feedback from the outside looking in that he can't have because hes in the middle of the fight.

Furthermore every fighter is different, even if they have similar styles, and theres always something new you can learn from just about anybody whether you can beat them or not. It only takes one little insight to improve your game in a significant way, and sometimes the guy you can beat may have a trick he knows that can add to your game. The fact that you can beat him may be due to other factors, but something that he knows that you don't will make you better.

So if Brock is training with Randy then that proves that he is very smart, and humble, and he's serious about being the best HW out there.

Yeah, it is very humble of both Lesnar and Couture. Both can learn from each other.

Anyone who says u can't learn from Randy because Lesnar is crazy.

Couture's probably forgotten more then Lesnar's learned.