[Bulletproof]

Originally Posted by Shine Box

1) The Gladiator Chorus Intro: Ok, the UFC says it wants to be mainstream, that it is a safe sport, however, the very first image you see on a UFC PPV are images of a Roman Gladiator (they killed one another by the way) suiting up for a match. It's old, tired & goes against the image the UFC is trying to change internally that it is NOT a Bloodsport. Well I don't think too many Gladiators died... WITHOUT BLEEDING.

Zuffa is owned by Italians, and I don't think the intro promotes it being a bloodsport.

[I Hate You]

Originally Posted by Shine Sux

Uhm, I was kidding...

Yeah well, we're laughing at you, not with you.

[CoutureFan06]

Originally Posted by mlarz2100

9) All weight divisions. They really do lack in overall talent when you look at them closely. The perception the UFC wants you to believe is that "Ultimate Fighting" is the best and only MMA in the world. But this is sadly true, just look at the entire UFC 61 card, it's a total stinker. The HW division is crap, the LHW division, they're protecting Chuck, @ 185 Franklin "did so well" in his last fight he can't fight for months still and no serious challenger is being groom. 170 is decent but Hughes and GSP are the only elite fighters they have. LW, time will only tell how well KenFlo does.


.....Franklin broke his hand and injured his ankle during the Louiseau fight and he has been recovering

Somebody had a big ole' jug of Hater-aid this morning didn't they?

First of all, let's talk about the HW's. If you were to go out on the street right now, how many athletes do you think that you could find who are over 205 lbs? It's no secret that the higher up you go in weight, the less people you have to choose from. I'm not talking about fat people, I'm talking about athletes. Guys who would normally be considered HW's often suck weight in order to have an advantage over smaller guys unless of course your're over 6'4" and you weigh 240+ and there's no way in hell that you're getting down to 205.

Secondly, the UFC isn't protecting Chuck. His last fight was against the Natural. If you're gonna tell me that the Natural isn't top competition, you're a moron and I should stop trying to argue my point right now. But I'm going to assume that you have a few brain cells left.

Franklin did very well in his last fight against Loiseau. As a human, I can tell you that sometimes bones break. It's part of being human. Not to mention the fact that he fought a 25 minute fight after breaking his hand in the second round. Unlike you, who'd get punched in the nose once, and run home to your mommy. And what do you mean "no serious fighter is being groomed?" How about Anderson fuckin Silva?

At 170, I'd have to agree that St Pierre & Hughes are awesome but they're not the only elite fighters at 170. BJ Penn is still a great fighter and there are plenty more.

You really need to get a clue before you start your day on a breakfast of hater-tots & Hater-aid. Go cry somewhere else.

[burgertech]

Sakakibara.....is that you?

[OmegaRed]

Originally Posted by Shine Box

I won't even get into the TUF reality show, the UFC's cost effective way to build up can fighters they can pay peanuts to fill undercards with.

Let's look at an entire UFC PPV production from start to finish, it won't take long.

1) The Gladiator Chorus Intro: Ok, the UFC says it wants to be mainstream, that it is a safe sport, however, the very first image you see on a UFC PPV are images of a Roman Gladiator (they killed one another by the way) suiting up for a match. It's old, tired & goes against the image the UFC is trying to change internally that it is NOT a Bloodsport. Well I don't think too many Gladiators died... WITHOUT BLEEDING.

2) Mike Goldberg. The Atlanta native has his roots in college football commentary and does week old baseball recap shows on spiketv that are already done to death daily on ESPN's Sportscenter. Goldberg is a talking informercial, the first human being one associates with when a UFC PPV is shown. Sure it's his job to be a broken record, all he has to do is try and sell the next event, doesn't matter if he knows crap about fighting. If he's not asking questions about what's going on, he blows calls 95% of the time. During UFC 60 he kept hammering on about UFC 61 and look at that shit card with all the no names on it.

3) Joe Rogan. Mike always introduces his whacky partner next and Joe always chimes in with his over-excited hype for the lackluster cards. Joe actually said he was in disbelief when Royce Gracie was fighting Matt Hughes. Was he stoned? Everybody knew Royce had no chance. And go check out his personal website and all the DRUG REFERENCES. Yep, Rogan is a real embassador for Mixed Martial Arts all right. Men getting fucked by horses til they are bloody. That's Joe Rogan's kind of humor and it's a reflection on his commentating professionalism, it's childish.

4) Guitar Riffs. Wow can the UFC rock! Face the pain of Diego Sanchez on the card. The UFC aka Zuffa is an LLC of the Fertitta's brothers who are super multi-millionaires and they can't pop the coin for a current rocking song. They've play the same lame crap for the past 2 years now that they probably paid some studio session guitarist $150 to record in an afternoon.

5) # of UFC fights per PPV. Always fluctuates, but if the UFC PPV's were more like an ACTUAL PPV and not an INFOMERCIAL, they might have some time to show some of the extra undercard fights. I don't think anything angers MMA fans more than the UFC not just showing crap fights but omitting the awesome undercard fights. It proves they are out of touch with the fan base.

6) Quality of Fights on PPV. Ok, I guess I can't avoid mentioning TUF. The only TUF fighters who deserve to be on UFC PPV's are the contract winners. You don't win a contract, keep them on UFN where the B and C class fighters TUF guys are belong. Where is the new international talent? Oh, they're getting paid better in Pride and the UFC also refuses to send over the few quality fighters they have to face ANYBODY in Pride. Didn't sign Rampage etc.

7) Xyience. Anybody who trains seriously knows this is over-priced shit and there is better quality products available for much less money. Honestly, no serious training fighter really uses this stuff and we're not fooled by gimmick commerical endorsements from UFC fighters. And I hate to mention not ONE Pride Fighter has ever publically acknowledged using Xyience to train or thanked them as a sponsor. If Xyience is really supporting MMA, they'd sponsor Pride guys too.

8) Dana White. He's just the President of the UFC, not a fucking TV star. I don't care what Bud Selig, David Stern or Paul Tagliabue have to say during their sports broadcasts, they keep it short, discreet and professional whenever they talk. Yet Dana "Fucking" White can't keep his penis-head out of range of the camera. Plus his constant swearing on spiketv again, just like Joe Rogan, does not represent the professionalism needed from the main faces of the UFC. Will be funny to watch Dana when he sells out to HBO and not be able to be his true self.

9) All weight divisions. They really do lack in overall talent when you look at them closely. The perception the UFC wants you to believe is that "Ultimate Fighting" is the best and only MMA in the world. But this is sadly true, just look at the entire UFC 61 card, it's a total stinker. The HW division is crap, the LHW division, they're protecting Chuck, @ 185 Franklin "did so well" in his last fight he can't fight for months still and no serious challenger is being groom. 170 is decent but Hughes and GSP are the only elite fighters they have. LW, time will only tell how well KenFlo does.

10) Why UFC PPV's stink. They don't pay fighters shit. As it was said earlier, the UFC aka Zuffa is an LLC owned by the fertitta's, the Galventon Texas mob family who moved to Vegas in the 50's and build a massive casino empire. The Fertitta's recently just opened a 95 MILLION DOLLAR CASINO in Las Vegas yet they still pay fighters $2,000 to show and another $2,000 to win. You're lucky if you get over $20,000 to fight in the UFC and if you fight a couple of times a years like most guys, you can't expect Zuffa to be there for you if you lose a fight and they decide to drop your ass. No wonder they have so many unknowns on the UFC 61 card. All the smart quality fighters are tired of the two-faced UFC. There should be immediate plans started for a fighters union in the US, just like in all other major sports.

And that's that.

Obviously, I'm much more educated, unbiased and informed about the sport of Mixed Martial Arts than the majority of you, so there's no point in questioning my facts.

too late to clean it up boy, you are so banned

[CrstlSnail]

This is coming from the same jackass who posted the "Chuck Liddell is dead" thread. You've wasted thirty minutes of your life typing this thread, only to get your ass banned from Sherdog. Get the fuck off the Internet, troll.

[Clubfingers]

UFC and just about all other American orgs are big time on the UP. They overcame serious obstacles from cable blackout and out right bans to damning press and raging politicians to depleting budget and on to bankruptcy.

Zuffa took it from there and with the help of serious work from Dana White they got it sanctioned, public and political approval, they got the press informed and great media coverage, back on PPV, SIX dif series on basic cable including nights with live fights, they drew in big money sponsors, they are having record breaking attendance and buys, they are holding 8 times the amount of live shows...

And you don't think they can overcome the obstacle of you not liking Dana White?

[Grinnie]

There are a few things that i agree with, like showing more fights on ppv shows. On UFC 58 there was only 5 fights. Also some of the divisions are weak, and it would be nice if Zuffa shelled out some money to fighters to draw better quality. TUF is a decent farm system to bring new and fresh talent in,most guys are young and still being developed just give them time. I do think that title holders should fight more than once or twice a year, threee times is acceptable. The Lightweight division should be an exciting division. I think that the UFC is making steps towards becoming a better organization but in America there is still lots of politics. Pride has awesome events and shows there is no doubt they are leading the way. But they just lost a huge TV deal with Fuji TV, they no longer will be aired on public tv therefore will lose alladvertising moneythey were drawing. Like 30% of there yearly income. If you watched The Grand Prix on 7-2, you can notice that some of the big laser and light shows over the ring were not there this time, and it will only be a matter of time before pay cuts to the fighters will come as well. So don't jump the gun to quick mean bashing the UFC because it is possible that before to long they be better than Pride. Not saying it will happen, just that it could be possible.

[eworden78]

Originally Posted by Shine Box

Obviously, I'm much more educated, unbiased and informed about the sport of Mixed Martial Arts than the majority of you, so there's no point in questioning my facts.

LOL, nice!

[Lunatic Fringe]

Originally Posted by Lebowski

Go home and get your fucking shine box!

CLASSIC!