[Crazy Cabbie]

Originally Posted by bobjones

tarnished his legacy beyond repair IMO. Guy just begs for respect without actually earning it. Whines after every defeat. Very classless fighter. I used to liek Shammy but he's just way too delusional. Just cuz you were there from the beginning doesn't make you a legend, he did nothing for MMA, nothing. At least Royce introduced the art of GJJ which proved that size was not important as long as you have good technique. What did Ken do for MMA? I would really like to know.

Yeah I have to agree. He really turned me off when he was on TUF. I think he was a Top 10fighter but never really top 5. He comes across arrogant. It is pretty bad when put beside Tito people start to like him more and you less. I think he tarnished his image on TUF for a lot of people. I hear people say all the time that when they started watching they liked Ken and not Tito but by the end of TUF they felt opposite.

[911=GovntOp]

Originally Posted by Killa_Cs

No I won't. Sham was good in his day but he refuses to add things like BJJ to his game. Why be so ignorant when it is perfectly clear you need to be versed in everything. That is why I hate Shamrock, he is so ignorant and thinks his shit doesn't stink.

He doesnt need to learn BJJ. He knows submission wrestling which is almost the same and has like 22 submission wins in MMA. Sakaraba doesnt know BJJ either.

[911=GovntOp]

Originally Posted by bobjones

tarnished his legacy beyond repair IMO. Guy just begs for respect without actually earning it. Whines after every defeat. Very classless fighter. I used to liek Shammy but he's just way too delusional. Just cuz you were there from the beginning doesn't make you a legend, he did nothing for MMA, nothing. At least Royce introduced the art of GJJ which proved that size was not important as long as you have good technique. What did Ken do for MMA? I would really like to know.

Dude, him and Royce were the first submission guys. When SEG owned the UFC the biggest fights in there history were Shamrock/Gracie and Shamrock/Severn. When Zuffa bought the UFC they were actually losing money in the Shamrock/Ortiz fight where they drew HUGE numbers at the time. If it weren't for Shamrock the UFC may be out of buisness right now. And he is a legend cuz he tons of top guys back in the day.

[Chrislazio]

I respect Ken. He was one of the pioneers of the sport, and if the UFC had refs at the time would have won a very respectable (at the time) win over Royce Gracie. He's also gave some good performances agianst Severn, Kimo, Rutten, Fujita and Frye. People are harsh on him for not learning BJJ but at his age and level of skill i simply thaink it was beyond him. He should be remembered as oe of the mas talented and well rounded fighters in the beginning of the UFC. Had he not left to make more money ($1million a year as opposed to the peanuts the UFC was apying back then in its darkest days.) in wrestling who knows how he would have done. It was sad to see him return to a sport which had clearly evolved beyond him, his brash attitude and ability to sell a fight prevented us from seeling him as he really was a lot of the time, a broken down, stubborn old veteran with the heart of a lion. Good luck in your retirement Ken

[Chiseen]

Originally Posted by painter

YOU STUPID ASS. THE PRODUCERS OF THAT SHOW ONLY SHOWED WHAT THEY WANTED TO SHOW. THEY HAD THEIR OWN AGENDA TO GO WITH. THIS WAS TO BUILD UP THE TITO AND KEN FUED. IT IS VERY FUNNY THAT TITO WAS MADE TO BE A GOD AND KEN WAS THE SELFISH ASS HOLE. LIKE MY DAD ALWAYS TAUGHT ME, BELIEVE NOTHING WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE. REMEMBER THAT. KEN SHAMROCK IS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF MMA IN THIS COUNTRY. IN HIS DAY HE WAS THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN. GIVE HIM THE RESPECT HE DESERVES. I DON'T THINK HE WALKS AROUND LIKE HE THINKS HIS SHIT DON'T STINK. HE DOES NOT WANT TO GIVE UP WHAT HE LOVES TO DO.
KEN SHAMROCK FAN

why do the fans act like the people they admire, and in this case make em look bad.

[hurley999]

He's just ruining himself is what the problem is. He's lost a lot of respect and credit ue to all his loses

[Mike270927]

I dont dislike Shamrock because he's past his prime, there is worst fighters than him fighting all the time and nobody complains. What I dislike about Shamrock is his arrogance and how he basically "fucked" the chances of the guys who he was supposed to coach during TUF 3.

I dislike the fact that he never accepts responsibility for what he does and in all interviews, tv, even in his book, he wants to portray everybody else as the jerks and he is always the good one and the tough one. I really think he needs a good smack in the head so he sees the reality of things and stops lying to himself and impressionable stupid kids who can not distinguish between his bullshit.

Did your guys forget the unbelievable crap he used to say every week during TUF 3 show??? how he "made" Tito?? how his fighters "gave up" and how he would never EVER take responsability that his fighters were not conditioned enough compared to Tito's who WERE getting really coached??

Shamrock behaves like the kind of person who would never do anything for anybody unless there is something for him in it, basically thats it, that resumes all...and there is nothing wrong with being like that...but hey if you are going to be like that then come on screen wanting to make you sound like you "gave" so much to the sport and how everybody should "respect" you...bullshit...all his life he looked up for himself only so now dont come trying to be a martir of the sport.

[Kolchak]

Originally Posted by 911=GovntOp

He doesnt need to learn BJJ. He knows submission wrestling which is almost the same and has like 22 submission wins in MMA. Sakaraba doesnt know BJJ either.

Except Ken has absolutely no guard and once he's on his back you can just smash him as much as you want?

[Evan_The_Kid_1]

why are all you guys acting like bjj is the only ground art? i am a student of bjj but come on. read his book beyond the lion's den and you'll see his ground game. and thats not even close to all of the moves he doesn't show in the book.

[Discjockeyshtud]

I honestly dont like Shamrock atm. When he retires I will have more respect for him tho because he seems a bit more humble when he isn't abusing Tito (i.e when he commentates).

I haven't much respect for him because I feel he abused MMA in its infancy with steroids (even though plenty of others in 93 and beforehand seemingly were also).

I think the roids has screwed his intelligence a fair bit and it shows when he tries to argue with people like Tito.

I think it would be better for him and his fans if his last fight was against another 'legend' like Tank or Royce.