Thales Leites: "It was his obligation to finish me in the 2nd round"

[BowserJr]

what was up with nate in that fight. he's never broken rules like that before... has he?

[Fist of Jesus]

Originally Posted by Vengeful

Yes, but I'm talkin about what was said in this interview. And for some reason you don't want to acknowledge what was said in this interview--which is what this thread is about. You can tell where his elbows were but you couldn't tell whether or not Leites had his head turned in that direction then turned it where the next 2 would hit in the side of the head.

I'm not sure that intent matters, just like intent didn't matter when he knee'd him in the head. A foul is a foul and that deserved a point deduction, you could do serious damage to an opponent by spiking their head to the canvass.

I don't think he's a dirty fighter per say but he definitely executed some dirty maneuvers in this fight. He deserves this loss and hopefully he'll learn to adhere to the rules better in the future.

Honestly, I'll go and rewatch the fight, but I looked at the reply closely and Thales had his head-down for all the elbows, and they all came from the side. And if the pile-driver isn't obviously intentional and no damage is caused, then it deserves a warning.

If no warning are nec, then Thales should have had points deducted for grabbing the fence.

[Fist of Jesus]

Originally Posted by SensitiveSusan

I could honestly do without seeing Marquardt ever again, dude is to uneducated in the fight game. Needs some serious training before he fights pro.

r u serious?

[Fist of Jesus]

Originally Posted by UW FTW

I was surprised by this fight, as I was unaware that Thales Leites has such nuthugging fans. And I am surprised that so many people are compelled to portray Nate as a dirty fighter. In reality Nate is so quiet and unassuming that he comes across as boring.

It is no surprise though that Lietes doesn't want the rematch. A real warrior would jump at the chance to prove he is the better man, rather than let a controversial win stand. Leites knows the elbow was legal, he knows the knee was unintentional and he knows that slam was 100% his fault. He doesn't want to tangle with that again, and Marquardt probably hasn't lost much of his standing in the MW division.

As to that slam, there is an absurd amount of revision. In reality, the slam had an arc and was therefor legal (Nate pushes Thales about 5 feet back), Thales broke the fall with his hands (so he can hardly claim he was spiked), and the entire situation was Thales' own fault. Thales is not the wrestler that Nate is, and he stupidly held onto Nate's legs way too high. Nate responded by trying to lift him, and Leites responded like an amateur. Any decent wrestler would have immediately sprawled and move his hold on Nate's legs lower. This would have dropped his center and prevented Nate from picking him up. Leites stupidly held onto Nate and let his ass get tossed head over heels. In greco he would have immediately lost. It is really difficult to blame Nate for Leites' poor wrestling. And what did you want Nate to do? Should he have set down Leites nicely? If you are stupid enough to get your ass lifted head over heels, you can't really complain about the other guy.

Once again, the throw was completely badass and completely legal. Any throw with an arc is considered legal and is not considered spiking an opponent (spiking implies a linear motion). Nate manhandled Thales, Thales is crawling away with the W and he doesn't want the rematch anytime soon.

quite the warrior spirit.

Its rare that someone on sherdog impresses me with his fight/wrestling analysis - you did.

I don't claim to have a great deal of wrestling knowledge (only what I use in BJJ) ...thanks for the great breakdown, especially regarding the slam.

[Calvin42]

Originally Posted by Fist of Jesus

Honestly, I'll go and rewatch the fight, but I looked at the reply closely and Thales had his head-down for all the elbows, and they all came from the side. And if the pile-driver isn't obviously intentional and no damage is caused, then it deserves a warning.

If no warning are nec, then Thales should have had points deducted for grabbing the fence.

Thales also grabbed Nates gloves during the fight, you can hear Nate say something to the ref when Thales does it.

Thales nuthuggers make me laugh.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by SensitiveSusan

I could honestly do without seeing Marquardt ever again, dude is to uneducated in the fight game. Needs some serious training before he fights pro.

Serious man?! Marquardt has been around the block. He has always been a humble fighter. I dont think he broke the rules to be a dick. He fights for many different organizations. His instincts kicked in. Thats right. I happen to like Marquardt.

[rreis]

Originally Posted by Fist of Jesus

r u serious?

Nate?

[Fist of Jesus]

Originally Posted by rreis

Nate?

no really, all joke aside - do you agree that you also could care less if Nate ever fights again?

This and his last fight (against Horn) should have gained him a lot of fans. He looks like a reborn fighter.

[eat a vegan]

I don't think he broke the rules on purpose, I think the knee may have been mistimed, he may have gotten over anxious trying to ko Thales, the elbows were hard to tell from the angle they showed. Maybe he did elbow him in the back of the head and maybe he didn't, perhaps only herb knows?

[imaycare]

First off someone said Nate didnt spike Thales because of arc. Lets be clear about this when they are speaking of arc they are speaking of arc on the person being slammed. Nate did come forward with Thales but never created any arc in Thales Thales stayed vertical. BJM himself who helped craft and write the rules said it was illegal himself. I am a big Thales fan and he won that fight on the cards and got the W. The elbows I agree with most they looked legal but that knee was thrown with intent and fully deserved the point deduction.

With all this being said previously when Nate was announced to fight A Silva I said Nate had the best style and game to defeat him and I still believe that.