Thales Leites: "It was his obligation to finish me in the 2nd round"

[Fist of Jesus]

How am I distorting anything when Leites himself says he was out of it at after the knee?

You can't tell if the elbows were legal or not, Leites was hit with about 3 elbows at the moment of the deduction of the point, you could only see the last two of those. Maybe the ref saw where it landed and you didnt. In any event Marquardt still wasn't penalized for the illegal piledriver he did which would have lost a point and he still would have lost. As a matter of fact 3 point deducted fouls in one fight is automatically a disqualification. Marquardt fought a dirty fight and if he never landed the illegal knee, we really don't know how that fight would have turned out cause it definitely changed the direction of the fight. I'll even say Marquardt was winning the second round till that point but he wasn't dominating the way he did after that knee.[/quote]

did you watch the post-fight interview? ...he said the knee was no big deal. And as for the elbows, you can plainly see on replay the point of the elbow was not coming down from the top - it was coming from the side.

I think the "pile-driver" (god I hate pro-wrestling terms used in reference to MMA) is debatable. He got put on his head, whether it was intentional is up to Nate to let us know. Same goes for Dong's supposed pile-driver. I don't presume to know what fighter's are thinking or they would do. They are their own person.

And seriously, do you really think Nate is a dirty fighter? Have you seen any of his matches, including the ones in Pancrase? Thales already had one knee off the ground and was a split second from getting the second knee up as well. Nate mistimed the knee by milliseconds; this has happened to other fighters - it was a miscalculation.

[vataryuduingere]

his corner was yelling at him so bad to take his time after that knee, i still think that he didnt really know what was going on...

[Vengeful]

Originally Posted by Fist of Jesus

did you watch the post-fight interview? ...he said the knee was no big deal. And as for the elbows, you can plainly see on replay the point of the elbow was not coming down from the top - it was coming from the side.

I think the "pile-driver" (god I hate pro-wrestling terms used in reference to MMA) is debatable. He got put on his head, whether it was intentional is up to Nate to let us know. Same goes for Dong's supposed pile-driver. I don't presume to know what fighter's are thinking or they would do. They are their own person.

And seriously, do you really think Nate is a dirty fighter? Have you seen any of his matches, including the ones in Pancrase? Thales already had one knee off the ground and was a split second from getting the second knee up as well. Nate mistimed the knee by milliseconds; this has happened to other fighters - it was a miscalculation.

Yes, but I'm talkin about what was said in this interview. And for some reason you don't want to acknowledge what was said in this interview--which is what this thread is about. You can tell where his elbows were but you couldn't tell whether or not Leites had his head turned in that direction then turned it where the next 2 would hit in the side of the head.

I'm not sure that intent matters, just like intent didn't matter when he knee'd him in the head. A foul is a foul and that deserved a point deduction, you could do serious damage to an opponent by spiking their head to the canvass.

I don't think he's a dirty fighter per say but he definitely executed some dirty maneuvers in this fight. He deserves this loss and hopefully he'll learn to adhere to the rules better in the future.

[JohnSAFTAHess]

I can't believe he wasn't out after that knee...... what a machine. That fight was fucking awesome.. dudes got heart to spare for sure.

[Fist of Jesus]

Originally Posted by Vengeful

You're obviously more stupid than the average sherdogger since I'm only going off of the word of the fighter--a fighter that was obviously not 100% after taking a knee to the head. Look at the fight and you could see he was still wobbly when he was asked if he wanted to continue, Herb Dean could even see it, why do you think he asked for the doctor to come in? Why do you think he told Leites not to go out to fight at that moment and to take the time? Maybe you don't get the fact that when you're dazed as he was you sometimes don't think lucidly and are just following instincts.

I didn't say he wasn't wobbly. Fighters get momentarily dazed all the time mid-fight and recover well to go on and win, even without the ref giving them time to regain themselves.

FACT: Thales said he could continue
FACT: Thales didn't want to time to recover
FACT: Thales speaks English! ...he knew it was an illegal knee
FACT: Thales in the post fight interview dismissed the knee as not being a big deal (supporting why he he chose to continue and he didn't even weant time to recover!)
FACT: Thales has fought several times in the UFC before, and as said previously, he speaks English pretty well, evidenced by him not needing a translator in his interviews.

...its pretty damn obvious that he knew he looked like crap in that fight and got his ass handed to him. He was lucky to get the win. He made up those sh*t excuses like not kniowing that you cant lose by an illegal knee. Funny how the illegal knee changed from not being very damaging to now being utterly debilitating. He was making excuses for his performance like many fighters do. Why is this so hard to understand.

[UW FTW]

I was surprised by this fight, as I was unaware that Thales Leites has such nuthugging fans. And I am surprised that so many people are compelled to portray Nate as a dirty fighter. In reality Nate is so quiet and unassuming that he comes across as boring.

It is no surprise though that Lietes doesn't want the rematch. A real warrior would jump at the chance to prove he is the better man, rather than let a controversial win stand. Leites knows the elbow was legal, he knows the knee was unintentional and he knows that slam was 100% his fault. He doesn't want to tangle with that again, and Marquardt probably hasn't lost much of his standing in the MW division.

As to that slam, there is an absurd amount of revision. In reality, the slam had an arc and was therefor legal (Nate pushes Thales about 5 feet back), Thales broke the fall with his hands (so he can hardly claim he was spiked), and the entire situation was Thales' own fault. Thales is not the wrestler that Nate is, and he stupidly held onto Nate's legs way too high. Nate responded by trying to lift him, and Leites responded like an amateur. Any decent wrestler would have immediately sprawled and move his hold on Nate's legs lower. This would have dropped his center and prevented Nate from picking him up. Leites stupidly held onto Nate and let his ass get tossed head over heels. In greco he would have immediately lost. It is really difficult to blame Nate for Leites' poor wrestling. And what did you want Nate to do? Should he have set down Leites nicely? If you are stupid enough to get your ass lifted head over heels, you can't really complain about the other guy.

Once again, the throw was completely badass and completely legal. Any throw with an arc is considered legal and is not considered spiking an opponent (spiking implies a linear motion). Nate manhandled Thales, Thales is crawling away with the W and he doesn't want the rematch anytime soon.

quite the warrior spirit.

[SensitiveSusan]

Originally Posted by Jumpman24

I'd like to see him rematch Marquardt, that was a good fight.

I could honestly do without seeing Marquardt ever again, dude is to uneducated in the fight game. Needs some serious training before he fights pro.

[hegstrand]

Thales got worked by Nate

[rreis]

Nate fights dirty or sloppily, i really can´t tell.
But that knee really gave him a great advantage over Leites.

[Calvin42]

Originally Posted by franz_grinder

Like Lietes told me, he really felt that illegal knee and wasn't aware of what even happened. It changed the course of the fight and previous to that he was putting a hurting on Marquardt.

Nonetheless, Thales doesn't want a rematch. He really wants to move up and go for the belt.

I can see what you are saying about the knee effecting Leites for sure...but he wasn't putting a hurting on Marquardt before the knee...

The first round could have went either way, the 2nd round and third rounds were won by Marquardt but he had point reductions.

He doesn't want a rematch because he probably knows he wouldn't win it...