Strategy has no place in MMA? - Page 4

Authority 51 · 08-11-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Darkness

I have to agree that the whole point of this thread was to point out to everyone what a "TRUE" fan of MMA and perhaps combat sports you are.

Although you have a good point that people need to relax when they call intelligent fighters like Florian and Machida "cowards" when they employ their stick and move strategies you need to get off your high horse by calling all of us idiots.

You CANNOT equate what Ali did to Foreman with what Florian did to Huerta. Ali rode the ropes for 5 five rounds taking a beating from Foreman as oppose to the stick and move strategy you speak of with regards to Florian. In the case of Ali, he wouldn't be considered a coward because he took a massive beating. Did you actually watch the Ali/Foreman fight or did you just catch the highlights from one of the many Ali biographies?

1) I'm not calling all of you idiots. The idiots are people who consider themselves true fans yet don't respect MMA fighters that don't fight like drunken frat boys.

2) I have seen the Ali/Foreman and he didn't take a lot of damage. In fact, the announcers were saying how little damage he was taking in that fight.

riccosuaavve · 08-11-2008, 04:42 PM

this is a dumb thread

beastman · 08-11-2008, 04:42 PM

People will always whine on Sherdog.

The object of the fight is to win. I just dislike decision victories.

Article125 · 08-11-2008, 04:42 PM

One thing I'd like to add to this thread is some people just like the more exciting fighters, and I personally don't have a problem with that. If someone doesn't like watching Machida fight, no biggie. That doesn't make them "not a true fan".

What is annoying is when they say it's cowardly, and trash on fighters who are clearly skilled.

My favorite fighter is still Wanderlei Silva, because he's just so exciting and aggressive. Does that mean i should say Machida sucks, because I'd rather watch Wanderlei fight? No. That's the only problem here.

youngster026 · 08-11-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by asuop

Win by any means necessary. If you can't make a guy fight your game, and you can't beat him at his, you lose and can't complain.

BINGO!

Mochan · 08-11-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IAMNOTMYSELF

strategy is fine when you are actively trying to finish a fight. That Kenny Florian fight was a joke and reminded me why I stopped buying baxing PPV's. I hope this does not start a trend in mma where fighters dont fight and simply try to outpoint each other...

Florian was not trying to outpoint Roger. He was trying to get into the best positions possible to force a win. He wanted to finish that fight. It's just a testament to Roger's toughness that Florian could not take it.

Let's get real, Kenny is not likely to KO Roger standing. That's why Kenny was trying to take Roger's back, get into mount, etc. That's where he does his damage. Roger was too slippery and had enough strength and wrestling to always get out of danger, even when Kenny took him his back. In R3 Florian tried to finish Roger with a big elbow because he couldn't keep him down, and it's not like he didn't try.

Give Roger credit he his tough to finish, even if he doesn't fight too well.

lunacyfrog · 08-11-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Authority 51

"Kenflo ran." "Machida is a coward." etc

You true MMA fans. You real MMA fans. You guys are idiots. You make me sick. Reading some of your posts is like talking to a drunken idiot at a bar telling me how fighters should go toe to toe and be a man. "Don't run...ya know...get in there and throw dogs...ya know?"

What happened to a fighter using a strategy? Should a fencing champion that is fighting a samurai go "toe to toe" and abandon the style he is winning with? Should he stick with only power moves and fight just like his opponent because that would please the "real fans?"

A fighter that hits an opponent ONE time and then runs for every round that follows just to win a decision on points is a coward. Someone that sticks and moves and employs a solid game plan against a strong brawler is a SMART FIGHTER!

Have any of you MMA EXPERTS ever heard of boxing? Have you ever heard of classic bouts like Muhammad Ali vs. George Foreman?! If you people were asked on the street what you thought about Ali's famous "rope-a-dope" strategy you would say how great it was. How smart it was to allow a big brawler (with a 40-0 win record, 37 by KO) to tire himself out and stick and move. But when KenFlo avoids Huerta's big punches and using smart striking combined, smart take downs combined with an evasive style...you say that he is running. Yes, Ali KO'd Foreman in the 8th round, but even if the fight went to a decision it was all Ali.

Now that we have the evolution of MMA and multiple disciplines fighting one another, you dismiss any fighter that isn't a KO specialist and call fighters that employ a strategy based on their physical strengths/weaknesses and their opponents strengths/weaknesses a "runner" or a "pussy?"

If you want to see two dudes throwing bombs at one another till someone gets KO'd, you should stop watching MMA, and certainly stop considering yourself a "true fan."

/rant

You really stuck it to the morons there.

Good job.

marcus_kane · 08-11-2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mochan

How exactly did Machida avoid the fight entirely with Tito? I mean, if he did that, how did Tito end up getting gutted to the floor, how did Machida end up in a triangle, etc.

Yeah, seriously. Machida put Tito in a crucifix position, cut his eye open, dropped him with a knee to the liver (or was it the floating rib?), and was almost got in a triangle/arm bar, and yet he apparently was "a coward".

I'm not saying his style is always exciting or anything, but it's obviously working for him.

People are idiots.

Authority 51 · 08-11-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZaydenNTX

Well said. Not everyone is gonna win by trying to be entertaining. And what's the point of watchin a million fights where the combatants throw skill out the window and just BRAWL!. There is a place for strategy in MMA and more people should learn to appreciate it

Thank you!

Halfway · 08-11-2008, 04:44 PM

Didn't read all that but strategy is a big part of the game and no one should really fault Kenny for using the game plan he did.

It wasn't all that great to watch but he was able to execute it successfully, if anything, people should knock Roger for not stopping or countering the game plan.