Strategy has no place in MMA?

[Authority 51]

"Kenflo ran." "Machida is a coward." etc

You true MMA fans. You real MMA fans. You guys are idiots. You make me sick. Reading some of your posts is like talking to a drunken idiot at a bar telling me how fighters should go toe to toe and be a man. "Don't run...ya know...get in there and throw dogs...ya know?"

What happened to a fighter using a strategy? Should a fencing champion that is fighting a samurai go "toe to toe" and abandon the style he is winning with? Should he stick with only power moves and fight just like his opponent because that would please the "real fans?"

A fighter that hits an opponent ONE time and then runs for every round that follows just to win a decision on points is a coward. Someone that sticks and moves and employs a solid game plan against a strong brawler is a SMART FIGHTER!

Have any of you MMA EXPERTS ever heard of boxing? Have you ever heard of classic bouts like Muhammad Ali vs. George Foreman?! If you people were asked on the street what you thought about Ali's famous "rope-a-dope" strategy you would say how great it was. How smart it was to allow a big brawler (with a 40-0 win record, 37 by KO) to tire himself out and stick and move. But when KenFlo avoids Huerta's big punches and using smart striking combined, smart take downs combined with an evasive style...you say that he is running. Yes, Ali KO'd Foreman in the 8th round, but even if the fight went to a decision it was all Ali.

Now that we have the evolution of MMA and multiple disciplines fighting one another, you dismiss any fighter that isn't a KO specialist and call fighters that employ a strategy based on their physical strengths/weaknesses and their opponents strengths/weaknesses a "runner" or a "pussy?"

If you want to see two dudes throwing bombs at one another till someone gets KO'd, you should stop watching MMA, and certainly stop considering yourself a "true fan."

/rant

[Authority 51]

Biggidy bump.

[VegasBaby]

So the point is YOU are a REAL and TRUE fan, right?

[pete_56can]

I agree i enjoy watching the technical ground games just as much as i like to see people throwing bombs. So yeah if you only wanna see punches and kicks go watch boxing or kickboxing because you are not actually a MMA fan

[Mochan]

Originally Posted by Authority 51

"Kenflo ran." "Machida is a coward." etc

You true MMA fans. You real MMA fans. You guys are idiots. You make me sick. Reading some of your posts is like talking to a drunken idiot at a bar telling me how fighters should go toe to toe and be a man. "Don't run...ya know...get in there and throw dogs...ya know?"

What happened to a fighter using a strategy? Should a fencing champion that is fighting a samurai go "toe to toe" and abandon the style he is winning with? Should he stick with only power moves and fight just like his opponent because that would please the "real fans?"

A fighter that hits an opponent ONE time and then runs for every round that follows just to win a decision on points is a coward. Someone that sticks and moves and employs a solid game plan against a strong brawler is a SMART FIGHTER!

Have any of you MMA EXPERTS ever heard of boxing? Have you ever heard of classic bouts like Muhammad Ali vs. George Foreman?! If you people were asked on the street what you thought about Ali's famous "rope-a-dope" strategy you would say how great it was. How smart it was to allow a big brawler (with a 40-0 win record, 37 by KO) to tire himself out and stick and move. But when KenFlo avoids Huerta's big punches and using smart striking combined, smart take downs combined with an evasive style...you say that he is running. Yes, Ali KO'd Foreman in the 8th round, but even if the fight went to a decision it was all Ali.

Now that we have the evolution of MMA and multiple disciplines fighting one another, you dismiss any fighter that isn't a KO specialist and call fighters that employ a strategy based on their physical strengths/weaknesses and their opponents strengths/weaknesses a "runner" or a "pussy?"

If you want to see two dudes throwing bombs at one another till someone gets KO'd, you should stop watching MMA, and certainly stop considering yourself a "true fan."

/rant

Does this apply to Brock Lesnar as well?

[asuop]

Win by any means necessary. If you can't make a guy fight your game, and you can't beat him at his, you lose and can't complain.

[PoundUmOut]

i 100% agree that its all about strategy and i love to watch technical bouts. but there is a huge difference in being technical and just avoiding the fight all together such as in starnes vs quary or machida vs tito. gsp is all about strategy.... but he doesnt run away from the fight.

[1derboy]

Originally Posted by Authority 51

Have any of you MMA EXPERTS ever heard of boxing? Have you ever heard of classic bouts like Muhammad Ali vs. George Foreman?! If you people were asked on the street what you thought about Ali's famous "rope-a-dope" strategy you would say how great it was. How smart it was to allow a big brawler (with a 40-0 win record, 37 by KO) to tire himself out and stick and move. But when KenFlo avoids Huerta's big punches and using smart striking combined, smart take downs combined with an evasive style...you say that he is running. Yes, Ali KO'd Foreman in the 8th round, but even if the fight went to a decision it was all Ali.

I don't disagree with you and I'm just nitpicking.

I don't thik Ali's rope-a-dope strategy against Foreman is a good example of stick and move. Ali really sat on the ropes and took a beating, he did stick and move during the fight, but not in the way you are describing or in the way he had done previously against the likes of Sonny Liston.

All said decent read, probably end up being wasted effort b/c no most sherdoggers probably havent seen that fight or care about anything in boxing.

[KurtDee2000]

I just thought it would be a better fight the way they both talked. I mean if you are going to call yourself "the finisher" you better back it up. It was a good fight I just thought it would be a great fight. FOTN it certainly wasn't. Great card really enjoyed it overall.

[Authority 51]

Originally Posted by VegasBaby

So the point is YOU are a REAL and TRUE fan, right?

It's a rant about how idiotic it is to only credit a fighter that goes toe-to-toe and not the fighter that uses tactics and strategy. I thought that was pretty clear. You want a diagram?