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01-08-2007, 05:35 PM
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Should knees to the head to a downed opponent be legal?
Should knees to the head to a downed opponent be legal in the US?
First, this is a crucial aspect of the fight game. When a fight hits the ground, the north south position seems to always be apparent.
A fight could easily end in a KO from this position for the dominant wrestler. Instead, what happens most of the time is that the bottom fighter gets right up and gains the striking advantage (if indeed his dominance is in striking).
knees to on the ground is no different in pain than knees standing up if done properly (muay thai technique).
ground and pound is becoming disadvantageous ever since this was banned by NSAC.
I remember how dominant Mark Coleman was when he could utilize this aspect of the game. Since he was a dominant wrestler, he would get the dominant position then TKO the guy with knees to the head.
it's the same as elbows in the clinch. if this is taken out of the game then the strategies will change a lot.
I'm not saying that kicks on the ground should be legalized also but that might be another crucial element in the fight game that is negated. For now, knees to the head should be considered to be reinstated because it negates too many strategies of the fight game.
Am I brutal or barbarish for thinking this or should this be a part of MMA again in the US?
What are your opinions?
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01-08-2007, 05:37 PM
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I think they should be legal... it's an unfair advantage for grapplers IMO.
It makes no sense that elbows to a downed opponent are allowed yet knees to a downed opponent aren't.
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01-08-2007, 05:39 PM
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should definitely be legal
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01-08-2007, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NasDarq
Should knees to the head to a downed opponent be legal in the US?
First, this is a crucial aspect of the fight game. When a fight hits the ground, the north south position seems to always be apparent.
A fight could easily end in a KO from this position for the dominant wrestler. Instead, what happens most of the time is that the bottom fighter gets right up and gains the striking advantage (if indeed his dominance is in striking).
knees to on the ground is no different in pain than knees standing up if done properly (muay thai technique).
ground and pound is becoming disadvantageous ever since this was banned by NSAC.
I remember how dominant Mark Coleman was when he could utilize this aspect of the game. Since he was a dominant wrestler, he would get the dominant position then TKO the guy with knees to the head.
it's the same as elbows in the clinch. if this is taken out of the game then the strategies will change a lot.
I'm not saying that kicks on the ground should be legalized also but that might be another crucial element in the fight game that is negated. For now, knees to the head should be considered to be reinstated because it negates too many strategies of the fight game.
Am I brutal or barbarish for thinking this or should this be a part of MMA again in the US?
What are your opinions?
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Good post, I also believe knees to a downed opponent should be considered fair game.
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01-08-2007, 05:40 PM
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Green Belt
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Your not brutal, and I think you have made a very good argument as to why they should be legal.
I do not understand why anyone (i.e. fans of MMA) would have a problem with knees in the four point position. The fact that they are not allowed in the states, except Hawaii, is IMO because of boxing's power in combat sports commisioning.
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01-08-2007, 05:40 PM
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Brown Belt
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I not only think knees should be allowed, but stomps and soccer kicks should be allowed as well.
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01-08-2007, 05:41 PM
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I not only think knees should be allowed, but stomps and soccer kicks should be allowed as well.
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Agreed...
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01-08-2007, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kayo
I think they should be legal... it's an unfair advantage for grapplers IMO.
It makes no sense that elbows to a downed opponent are allowed yet knees to a downed opponent aren't.
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My thoughts exactly. I personally believe that elbows can be much more detrimental to a fighter's career than a knee. I, like the vast majority of the legion of sherdoggers, have seen some nasty cuts as a result of elbows.
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01-08-2007, 05:45 PM
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I agree with knees but not stomps and soccer kicks.
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01-08-2007, 05:46 PM
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Green Belt
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From what I understand, this rule was required by the NSAC in order for them to sanction the UFC. I read somewhere that one of the commissioners was reviewing tapes of MMA, happened upon a fight where Gan McGee stopped some guy w/ multiple knees to the head, thought it was too brutal, and insisted that it not be allowed. It's a shitty rule, but it probably won't be discarded any time soon.
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