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Old 08-31-2006, 07:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Shamrock / Frye Beef

What was the real problem between Ken Shamrock and Don Frye? I recently seen all their press for the fight then the actual match, and they were going back and forth personally- like ken did with tito. Here are some points I'd like someone to clear up for me -

1) Ken claims Don Frye personally emailed his ken's wife berating her and talking trash about Ken and Frank for being adopted. - is that true or is kenny making that up?

2) Don claimed that Ken crippled FIVE men in MMA; not because he's competitive but because he's an asshole and is a bully. Who are these men Don is claiming ken crippled?

3) is it safe to assume that shamrock starts personal wars with who ever he fights to hype his match up?
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:34 PM   #2 (permalink)

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I've often wondered the same thing. Help!
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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don brought the fight to a personal level. wether he really sent an email to kens wife or not, he admitted and appologized to shamrock for making it a personal matter
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:34 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I always though it was from Frye saying that Ken wasn't a real MMA champion (no tourney wins) and Ken took offense to that. They were both pro wrestlers so much of the hype seemed like it was them trying to spark a feud to get attention, nothing really personal, just their pro wrestling personalities coming out.
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After Ken left the UFC, he went and did his stint in the WWF from 1996-2000. When Don Frye finished with MMA, he also went to pro-wrestling, but he went to Japan. When both men came back into MMA, Ken happened to come back first, so he already had a couple fights under his belt. As Ken was starting to get back into things, PRIDE offered him Don Frye. Ken said he would like to fight Don but not just yet because he thought Don should fight once or twice to get back into the game like Ken did. Don took that as an insult and proceeded to talk shit and try egging Ken into a match. It worked. Don said some incendiary things about Ken and his relationships with both his father and his brother and insulted just about everything about Ken and his personal/family life. Ken was extremely pissed and agreed to that match with Frye, so Don got his way and got his fight with Ken.

I lost a little respect for Don by the way he handled that situation. He didn't need to talk endless shit to Ken just to get a match. He should've fought a warm-up match against a lower-tier fighter the way Ken fought Otsuka upon returning, because he would've fought Ken eventually, because Ken said he would like to fight him. But in the end, the fans won because we got one of the best grudge matches (IMO, THE BEST) in the history of MMA, and it ended up as my personal favorite MMA fight of all time.

As for Don saying how Ken purposefully crippled people, here's a post I made in another thread earlier today:

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This the heel hook video you were talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpiZQtD0SCY

To answer your question, no, Ken didn't purposefully cripple people. A couple of guys got hurt fighting Ken, including Ryushi Yanagisawa and Leon Dijk (the guy in the video), but Ken is a sportsman; he is out there to fight and to win, not to hurt people. If somene were to get injured, it comes with the territory, but Ken never went out intending to end someone's career and/or cripple them. You can see it in the above video: He gets Dijk in the heel hook, twists, and when he taps and starts screaming, Ken puts up his hands and you can tell it was completely unintentional.

OP: You said Don claimed Ken crippled 5 people, but I don't where you (or, if you got it from a Frye interview, where he himself) got that info. The only people I know of are Ryushi Yanagisawa (they fought in Pancrase, and Yanagisawa tried a last-ditch attempt to get a rope escape while Ken had him in an inverted heel hook, and he eventually tapped and sustained a torn tendon on his knee) and Leon Dijk (tried to get the rope and didn't respect Ken's leg lock, as you can see in the video included in my quoted post).
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thanks for the info man ^^^
i got the info about ken crippling people from an interview don frye did; you can watch it if you down load their fight called "an american war ken shamrock vs don frye'..it has both guys interviewed before the match so it sheds SOME light on it..but again thanks for the most part for clearing that up
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Great info. Thanks.
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like bullitt68 said, BEST grudge match of all time. the final seconds of that fight were amazing, u didn't know who was gonna tap, or if ne1 was gonna tap at all.

i guess when the match was over they kinda squashed the whole thing.
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As a Shamrock fan this fight is legendary but always angers me. My question is did Don Frye get addicted to painkillers AFTER the fight, or was he already on them during the fight which is why didnt tap to two broken ankles? If he was on painkillers its ridiculous, basically robbing Ken of a win. Correct me if Im wrong.
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