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Old 07-05-2006, 02:09 PM   #21 (permalink)

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I love the post but Luigi will hopefully drop to 170 for future fights.

Maybe, but he failed weight at 185.
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I wouldn't want to put Loisseau or Nate Quarry against Silva. I think both of them are great fighters that are coming off of a devastating loss. (both to Franklin) Silva has the potential to embarass people. You don't want to deal that out on a guy coming back from a bad loss. Their reputations could be damaged irrepairably.

For similar reasons, I wouldn't throw Silva immediately in with Franklin. You want to build that fight up a little more. Franklin could dismantle Silva, then you have wasted a perfect talent, and he will be back in the scrap bin with Quarry and the crow. Or Silva could win, and you have a relatively unknown champion. And really they just did that with Franklin. He became champ relatively quick and the last few fights have really made people notice him.

I think the best bet is Silva vs. Swick. I consider Swick to be one of the next in line for a title shot. Another interesting fight would be Silva vs. Lister if Dean can drop like he says he can.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:11 PM   #23 (permalink)
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the only people who are reading and replying to your thread is yourself, the hits come from you refreshing your browser.

and your avatar IS ultra-gay, that means really gay. A chaingun, do you play online Doom?

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Old 07-05-2006, 02:12 PM   #24 (permalink)

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Oh is that so noobler? You caught me. I have about 10 other identities on here and I post all on my own thread. Good call dickless.
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awesome post. I agree 100%.
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and now you're trolling, flaming and name calling as well....

you internet forum geeks always quick to point the finger, that is, when you take it out of your butt

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Old 07-05-2006, 02:15 PM   #27 (permalink)

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Really strong post, Zeke, good analysis overall and I like the fights you selected at the end. I am also someone who doesn't like the idea of immediately pairing Franklin and Silva up as many are suggesting. Silva can be a huge star for UFC if they build him up properly, because the casual fans are in shock over his dismantling of Leben. Besides, right or wrong, Silva is being branded as an "outsider" or "PRIDE guy" by many, though I realize he hasn't even fought there in some time. There's a very real chance he can beat Franklin, so him doing that in like his second UFC fight would make the UFC champions looks weak. UFC would be wise to invest more time in Silva pre-title fight to "make him theirs" so to speak. I've made comments in the past that Marquardt needs to be getting the next title shot, he's a solid veteran who's paid his dues and most people concede he is the current top contender to the belt, so they should give him his shot and not give him the "Lindland treatment". Franklin would probably win and it wouldn't alter the future big picture money-making match of Franklin-Silva, but if Marquardt wins, it wouldn't hurt things badly, as beating Franklin would mean something.

I like all the pairings at the end, Quarry-Fioravanti is a good matchup to help build Luigi, who could be an interesting middle tier guy for UFC, or to get Quarry back on the right track (though age isn't necessarily on his side for being a so-called up-and-comer). Leben-Riggs is good for the reason you listed, Swick-Terrell is a good match for the winner to vault to the upper status of the MW division (talking like top four or five with the most proven guys). Lister-Sonnen is good for vets who are just building a name in UFC and would be a good stylistic pairing.

I also really like the pairing of Tanner-Doerksen, and El Dirte is one of those guys I like but am afraid he may be forgotten in UFC due to a few tough losses. On the plus side, with all these added shows UFC is running, they shouldn't be so trigger-happy to release guys after mild losing streaks.

All in all, fantastic post.
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Did you just call me an internet geek? You really are getting creative now. I've never seen that insult on these forums before.

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fighters dont want to fight cans

they want to prove who is the best

but since alot of sherdoggers like to think about saving title challenges and building fighters...
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:18 PM   #30 (permalink)

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Really strong post, Zeke, good analysis overall and I like the fights you selected at the end. I am also someone who doesn't like the idea of immediately pairing Franklin and Silva up as many are suggesting. Silva can be a huge star for UFC if they build him up properly, because the casual fans are in shock over his dismantling of Leben. Besides, right or wrong, Silva is being branded as an "outsider" or "PRIDE guy" by many, though I realize he hasn't even fought there in some time. There's a very real chance he can beat Franklin, so him doing that in like his second UFC fight would make the UFC champions looks weak. UFC would be wise to invest more time in Silva pre-title fight to "make him theirs" so to speak. I've made comments in the past that Marquardt needs to be getting the next title shot, he's a solid veteran who's paid his dues and most people concede he is the current top contender to the belt, so they should give him his shot and not give him the "Lindland treatment". Franklin would probably win and it wouldn't alter the future big picture money-making match of Franklin-Silva, but if Marquardt wins, it wouldn't hurt things badly, as beating Franklin would mean something.

I like all the pairings at the end, Quarry-Fioravanti is a good matchup to help build Luigi, who could be an interesting middle tier guy for UFC, or to get Quarry back on the right track (though age isn't necessarily on his side for being a so-called up-and-comer). Leben-Riggs is good for the reason you listed, Swick-Terrell is a good match for the winner to vault to the upper status of the MW division (talking like top four or five with the most proven guys). Lister-Sonnen is good for vets who are just building a name in UFC and would be a good stylistic pairing.

I also really like the pairing of Tanner-Doerksen, and El Dirte is one of those guys I like but am afraid he may be forgotten in UFC due to a few tough losses. On the plus side, with all these added shows UFC is running, they shouldn't be so trigger-happy to release guys after mild losing streaks.

All in all, fantastic post.
I agree with Silva still being regarded as a "Pride Guy" even though he's fought in many places over the years and finally is making a home in the UFC. He needs at least two fights before Franklin to build him properly.
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