[sdbounceshot]

Originally Posted by bcm344

If the stand-up fighter controls the fight using a sprawl, ala Smith/Coleman, he deserves just as credit as a fighter that is ablke to impose his will and push a fighter around via the takedown.

It really depends on if the guy sprawling is taking the fight to the grappler.

[sofakingamazing]

Originally Posted by dickcheney

wait...i understand mma people who think takedowns shouldnt scored so high, but you were a wrestler and thought people shouldnt have points for takedowns? you must have sucked

hey i actually agree with him

o wait thats right my stand up wrestling sucked in high school

[mikecard37]

Originally Posted by mikecard37

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showth...51#post8651651

seriously

[jones101]

Originally Posted by Hanoi Rox

The stand up fighter get points if he keeps it on the feet by inflicting damage while on the feet. If the stand up fighter stuffs five take downs, but fails to hit the ground fiighter, then he shouldn't get any points.

Exactly, Hit the nail on the head buddy.

Like the Sanchez/Allesio fight. Dont like diego but he won that fight basically on his agression. Although Alessio stuffed his takedowns, What did he do on the feet to earn points. Takedown or sprawl IMO shouldnt be scored too highly if the person whos in control the doesnt take advantage.

[lostdog000]

"For each takedown St. Pierre got, Penn got up, so thats equal."

no thats more like getting punched and not falling

the truly better fighter wouldnt b taken down at all

[Granite]

I think sprawls and take down defense should count as well. They do in my book. I think the biggest thing they need to do is decide on a criteria (whatever it is) and train the damn judges and the fans so we are all looking at the same thing. Christ, sometimes, you wonder if the judge was even in the building during the fight.

[letsgotribe9]

Originally Posted by Luebbers

The standup fighter does get credit for takedown defense. In a classic striker vs. grappler matchup, if the striker keeps stuffing takedowns, he gets points for controlling the match. Just like a grappler gets points for controlling the match if he keeps taking the striker down.

That's the end of the thread for all you idiots.

[Granite]

Originally Posted by jones101

Exactly, Hit the nail on the head buddy.

Like the Sanchez/Allesio fight. Dont like diego but he won that fight basically on his agression. Although Alessio stuffed his takedowns, What did he do on the feet to earn points. Takedown or sprawl IMO shouldnt be scored too highly if the person whos in control the doesnt take advantage.

I agree but I think alessio's stuffs should have nullified sanchez's aggression. Maybe a draw but no way in hell sanchez wins that fight on shoots. He was stuffed just about everytime. Anyway, they just need to decide on a criteria because there are so many tough fights to call now that the fighters are getting more evenly matched.

[chamchamtrigger]

I think there should only be 3 ways to win a fight:

KO
Submission
TKO

Anything else, it is a draw, and they keep fighting!!!!!!!!!

[Bigj383]

We should all know by now how the ACs score fights, Check section I for effective grappling.

Originally Posted by NSAC

VIII. JUDGES

A. No judge will have a financial interest in any fighter he judges.

B. No judge will be a manager/trainer of any fighter he judges.

C. In a bout goes to it's full time limit, the outcome will be decided by a majority decision of
three, (3), MMAC judges.

D. A judge is accredited, sanctioned and selected based upon his character, experience, stature
in the MMA world, knowledge of MMA systems and impartiality.

E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the
following criteria:
-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness

F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient)
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective)

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total
number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the
criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a
winning round.

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than
those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality",
than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong
indication of positional dominance for striking.

I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively
grappling.
3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple,
through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous
defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the
preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither
fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored
the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling

J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is
octagon control.
3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.
4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities

K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.
4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.
5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.

L. Criteria Evaluation
1. Each judge is to evaluate which fighter was most effective. Thus striking and grappling skills
are top priority.
2. Evaluating the criteria requires the use of a sliding scale. Fights can remain standing or grounded.
Judges shall recognize that it isn't how long the fighters are standing or grounded, as to the
scoring the fighters achieve ,while in those positions.
3. If 90% of the round is grounded one fighter on top, then:
-effective grappling is weighed first.
-clean striking is weighed next. If clean strikes scored in the round, the Judge shall factor it
in. Clean Striking can outweigh Effective Grappling while the fighters are grounded.
-octagon control is next (pace, place & position)

4. The same rational holds true if 90% of the round were standing. Thus:
-clean striking would be weighed first (fighter most effective)
-clean grappling second (any takedowns or effective clinching)
-octagon control which fighter maintained better position? Which fighter created the situations
that led to effective strikes?

5. If a round was 50% standing and 50% on the ground, then:
-clean striking and effective grappling are weighed more equally.
-octagon control would be factored next

6. In all three hypothetical situations, effective aggressiveness is factored in last. It is the
criteria of least importance. Since the definition calls for moving forward and scoring, it is
imperative for the Judges to look at the scoring first.

7. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is:
-clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first.
-octagon control
-effective aggressiveness

M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two
point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and
control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the
following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded.

N. Judge's Scorecard Procedures
After each round:
1. each Judge will determine and record a score each round
2. a MMAC official will collect the scorecard after each round
3. the MMAC official will track and add each Judges score by round
4. If the fight goes the time limit, the MMAC official will add each Judge's scorecard and double
check total
5. the fighter with the greater number of points wins the fight on each Judges scorecard
6. the fighter who won on the majority of the Judges Scorecards, wins the fight
7. the MMAC official will hand the decision to the PA announcer

O. Types of Judge's Decisions
1. If all three scorecards agree Unanimous
2. If two of three scorecards agree Split
3. Two scorecards agree and one draw Majority
4. two scorecards agree on draw Draw
5. all scorecards different Draw

IX SCORING SYSTEM

A. The MMAC and UFC have adopted a 10 point must system.
The Judge will use the criteria to determine a winner each round. The three step procedure per
round is as follows:
-determine winner of round (can be draw)
-determine if winner dominated round
-fouls then factored in (subtract one point per foul from fighter)

B. Draws are again acceptable in MMAC events

C. Point Totals
1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10
2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9
3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8
(a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round)
4.For each foul a fighter commits, a point is subtracted. This deduction can change a winning round
to a draw. 9-9